Musafir Praying Sitting in a Vehicle

[al_Zayn]

A person who is a Musafir whilst still travelling [in a car] but out of his town prays his Isha sitting i.e. in the car, is his prayer sound? i ask this because he had the option of praying standing when he returns home [the same night within the Isha time]? also bare in mind there weren't any places for him to pray at the destination i.e. if he did pray he would have had to pray on the streets.

Mufti Sahib?

[al_Zayn]

Any knowledgable Brothers?

[Ahmed]

the isha should have been prayed at home..plenty of time as mentioned

its faradh to stand if able to do so..only if theres no paak place at all can one sit...

ive prayed on grass..sand..standing..

only sat in car when i was surrounded by mud/puddles..and time was near ending

[al_Zayn]

the isha should have been prayed at home..plenty of time as mentioned

its faradh to stand if able to do so..only if theres no paak place at all can one sit...

ive prayed on grass..sand..standing..

only sat in car when i was surrounded by mud/puddles..and time was near ending

So would the person pray the full Four Raka'at when he returns home that night? and not Qasr? because he would have still come back home [now a Muqeem] in Isha time.

Hence he says the dispensation would now be lifted, thus the reason he prayed Isha Qasr on the journey. [The reason for not praying outside was he says - he couldn't stop the packed car in mid motorwary/highway at dark].

Im kind of still confused : - s

[Edit]

Just found this:

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...ID=1139&CATE=4

[hope1]

Assalamu alaikum brother,
When one is on journey he receives the concession of shortening the salaat and that he can even leave out the sunnat-e-muakkadah - with the exception of the sunnah of Fajr (but preferably one should do them if one is not actually traveling). There is no other concession as far as I know.
One must stand and pray at all times unless one is sick or ill which prevents him form standing, in which case one will do according to the rule pertaining to salaat for sick people.
While traveling one cannot pray sitting down. A person can take an exit and pray at a gas station or a park. If one has to pray outside without a roof over his head then one will have to do that. If one is feeling awkward then he can pray a short salaat but in a calm manner.
As for the qasr - if one has the opportunity to pray the full prayer after going home - even then he can choose to pray qasr outside his city limits and he will not have to remake his salaat. This is mentioned by Mufti Abdur Rahman in his Fiqh of Salaat lectures.

[asalleh]

what if i'm on the bus right, and the time of the prayer is nearing the end? can i still pray sitting on the bus?

[Al-Faruqi]

I found a couple of fatawa concerning this on Askimam.org, insha Allah this will help you.

First fatwa:

Question
Assalam-u-alaikum 1. Last December, I went skiing with friends. Around Duhr time, I looked for a place to pray everywhere in the building but could not find a descent place. Then I went to the parking lot to pray but it was snowing and I couldn't pray there either. So friends told me I could just pray in the car. I prayerd in the backseat of the car as if you were to kneel down and pray on the ground. But later they told me I could have sat in the seat as sitting on a chair(like a handicapped person at the mosque). Which of the above, if valid, is a way of praying in such a situation. 2. What about in a general case where we are traveling but it is not snowing or raining outside. Can we pray in the car? If so, which way? 3. Sometimes our mom and sisters travel with us. Can THEY pray in the backseat? Please answer all 3 questions is details. jazakallah khairun

Answer

Salaat must be performed on the ground. It is only in dire circumstances
that a person is allowed to perform Salaat whilst moving in any type of
vehicle.

As long as there is some place to perform Salaat on the ground, it will not
be permissible to perform Salaat in a car. When traveling, then at the time
of Salaat one must stop and perform Salaat outside the vehicle on the
ground. If for some reason or the other, there is absolutely no other way
out and it is totally impossible to find enough place on the ground for one
to perform his Salaat, then only will it be permissible to perform the
Salaat in the car.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

Second fatwa:

Question
1) Can I pray in gesture while traveling? Like the cases a) I am traveling more than 100 kilometers by bus and in the mean time the prayer time arrives. Can I just pray in gesture on sitting just to show Allah that I remembered in whatever condition I am in? Do I need to repeat the prayer? Actually what am I supposed to do in such case? b) What should I do if I am traveling for around 30 km and I am afraid that I might miss the salaat by the time I get down. Should I pray in gesture in the train?

Answer
In principle, it is not permissible to perform Fardh Salaat while traveling on a conveyance. (Hidaaya vol.1 pg.130; Rashidiyyah). However, if a person fears that the time of this Salaat will pass out, he should perform it while on the conveyance and thereafter repeat the Salaat.

In conclusion, traveling by train, there is a possibility of standing and performing Salat. Therefore, Salaat should be performed standing. However, if due to place constraints the abovementioned procedure should be adopted.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

[Abu_Bilal]

what if i'm on the bus right, and the time of the prayer is nearing the end? can i still pray sitting on the bus?

Assalam Alaikum.

Yes you can pray sitting in the bus. But you would have to repeat the prayer once you reach your home.

[asalleh]

Assalam Alaikum.

Yes you can pray sitting in the bus. But you would have to repeat the prayer once you reach your home.

Waalaikumsalam.

If I am a musafir, and I am on the bus and it is zuhur time, by the time i arrive at my destination, I will not have sufficient time to pray zuhur and asar. So that would mean that I would qasar asar and pray it early with qasar zuhur right? And as you said, once I reach my home I would have to pray again. And if by the time I return home it is already isyak, that would mean I would have to qasar isyak and jamak maghrib together with isyak, then pray 4 rakaat of asar and 4 rakaat of zuhur but qadha? Is that correct?

[Abu_Bilal]

If I am a musafir, and I am on the bus and it is zuhur time, by the time i arrive at my destination, I will not have sufficient time to pray zuhur and asar. So that would mean that I would qasar asar and pray it early with qasar zuhur right?

Assalam Alaikum.

You would pray qasar zuhur in this case. But you would not pray qasar asar combined with qasar zuhur, as long as you are certain that you would reach your home before the asar time finishes.

And as you said, once I reach my home I would have to pray again.

Only in that case, when you prayed in a moving vehicle in a sitting posture.

And if by the time I return home it is already isyak, that would mean I would have to qasar isyak and jamak maghrib together with isyak, then pray 4 rakaat of asar and 4 rakaat of zuhur but qadha? Is that correct?

I didn't understand this bit of your question.