I know this is a Shi'a book but does it have benefit in it to read (for non fiqh, shariah, aqeedah purposes) just for general wisdom? Some of those sayings in there are bound to be authentic right?
Nahjul Balagh by Imam Ali
I know this is a Shi'a book but does it have benefit in it to read (for non fiqh, shariah, aqeedah purposes) just for general wisdom? Some of those sayings in there are bound to be authentic right?
read somewhere that the book is a fabrication
I wish I knew where I read it, so I could link it.
Here is sunnipath on it
http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Q...a00002572.aspx
What about other books with "Maxims of Imam Ali"
Are there any authentic Sunni collections?
I was told, as a child, that there is a Sunni version of Nahj Al-Balagha. I've never come across it. Ask the scholars. But the Shia version is "A Mutazilte commentary on a Shiite forgery." There are some things in there that are legitimate, as I recall seeing similar/identical contents in other statements of Imam Ali in the Sunni books.
'Ja`far narrated from his father, Muhammad al-Baqir, that a man came to his grandfather, Zain al-`Abidin as-Sajjad, and said:
"Tell me about Abu Bakr!" He said, "You mean as-Siddiq?" The man said, "How do you call him as-Siddiq when he is against you, the Family of the Prophet ?"
He replied, "Woe to you. The Prophet called him as-Siddiq, and Allah accepted his title of as-Siddiq. If you want to come to me, keep the love of Abu Bakr and `Umar in your heart."'
waassup
BAD-DEENI (IRRELIGIOSITY)
"A very surprising fact proven by experience is the contagious effect of irreligiosity (Deeni corruption) of a irreligious person. For example, if a religiously corrupt person writes a book on Nahw (Arabic grammar), the effect of irreligiosity will be created in the heart of the person who studies the book inspite of the book being devoid of any irreligious statement."
(Hadhrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi)
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BAD-DEENI (IRRELIGIOSITY)
"A very surprising fact proven by experience is the contagious effect of irreligiosity (Deeni corruption) of a irreligious person. For example, if a religiously corrupt person writes a book on Nahw (Arabic grammar), the effect of irreligiosity will be created in the heart of the person who studies the book inspite of the book being devoid of any irreligious statement."
(Hadhrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi)
Ok. That's superstition bordering on paranoia. And the Prophet pbuh said "Seek knowledge even if in China." Unless, the books in China were written at the time by Muslims....
If you think that is true, don't bother learning English, or going to school to learn mathematics, or science, because more than likely the book was written at least in part by a non-Muslim.
'Ja`far narrated from his father, Muhammad al-Baqir, that a man came to his grandfather, Zain al-`Abidin as-Sajjad, and said:
"Tell me about Abu Bakr!" He said, "You mean as-Siddiq?" The man said, "How do you call him as-Siddiq when he is against you, the Family of the Prophet ?"
He replied, "Woe to you. The Prophet called him as-Siddiq, and Allah accepted his title of as-Siddiq. If you want to come to me, keep the love of Abu Bakr and `Umar in your heart."'
[QUOTE=Ultra-Muslim]Ok. That's superstition bordering on paranoia. And the Prophet pbuh said "Seek knowledge even if in China."[QUOTE]
Salam Alaykum brother,
I have to disagree with you: Maulana Thanvi's statement is not superstition bordering on paranoia. It is, as he said, a very surprising fact, but one which is amply confirmed by experience. I can attest to this myself.
As for the hadith "Seek knowledge even if in China", it is weak, and some say forged, so it is not a proof in itself. Even if we accept it, it surely refers to the high aspiration, devotion, and effort needed to gain knowledge (the kind of effort needed to go to China for example), and not literally to the land of China itself.
Here is an analysis of the hadith, from Shaykh Gibril Haddad, taken from http://www.livingislam.org/fiqhi/fiqha_e37.html
Wa al-Salam.....
"Seek knowledge even as far as China."
Hadith HASAN MASHHUR - "fair, famous." Note: Applied to a hadith, the term mashhur refers to a type of ahad narration that has five to nine narrators at each link of its chain and is therefore nearly mass-narrated. Note that this is not an index of its authenticity as a mashhûr hadith may be either sahîh, hasan, or da`îf. Also, the label of mashhûr is sometimes given to merely famous narrations which are not nearly-mass-narrated.
Narrated from Anas by al-Bayhaqi in Shu`ab al-Iman and al-Madkhal, Ibn `Abd al-Barr in Jami` Bayan al-`Ilm, and al-Khatib through three chains at the opening of his al-Rihla fi Talab al-Hadith (p. 71-76 #1-3) where our shaykh Dr. Nur al-Din `Itr declares it weak (da`îf).
Also narrated from Ibn `Umar, Ibn `Abbas, Ibn Mas`ud, Jabir, and Abu Sa`id al-Khudri, all through very weak chains.
The hadith master al-Mizzi said it has so many chains that it deserves a grade of fair (hasan), as quoted by al-Sakhawi in al-Maqasid al-Hasana. Al-`Iraqi in his Mughni `an Haml al-Asfar similarly stated that some scholars declared it sound (sahîh) for that reason, even if al-Hakim and al-Dhahabi correctly said no sound chain is known for it. Ibn `Abd al-Barr's "Salafi" editor Abu al-Ashbal al-Zuhayri declares the hadith hasan in Jami` Bayan al-`Ilm (1:23ff.) but all the above fair gradings actually apply to the wording: "Seeking knowledge is an obligation upon every Muslim."
The first to declare the "China" hadith forged seems to be Ibn al-Qaysarani (d. 507) in his Ma`rifa al-Tadhkira (p. 101 #118). This grading was kept by Ibn al-Jawzi in his Mawdu`at but rejected, among others, by al-Suyuti in al-La'ali' (1:193), al-Mizzi, al-Dhahabi in Talkhis al-Wahiyat, al-Bajuri's student Shams al-Din al-Qawuqji (d. 1305) in his book al-Lu'lu' al-Marsu` (p. 40 #49), and notably by the Indian muhaddith Muhammad Tahir al-Fattani (d. 986) in his Tadhkira al-Mawdu`at (p. 17) in which he declares it hasan.
Al-Munawi, like Ibn `Abd al-Barr before him, gave an excellent explanation of the hadith in his Fayd al-Qadir (1:542). See also its discussion in al-`Ajluni's Kashf al-Khafa' under the hadith: "Seeking knowledge is an obligation upon every Muslim," itself a fair (hasan) narration in Ibn Majah because of its many chains as stated by al-Mizzi, although al-Nawawi in his Fatawa (p. 258) declared it weak while Dr. Muhammad `Ajaj al-Khatib in his notes on al-Khatib's al-Jami` (2:462-463) declared it "sound due to its witness-chains" (sahîh li ghayrih). Cf. al-Sindi's Hashya Sunan Ibn Majah (1:99), al-Munawi's Fayd al-Qadir (4:267) and al-Sakhawi's al-Maqasid al-Hasana (p. 275-277).
Unfortunately, this documentation is incomplete as it does not cover the often-quoted words "from the cradle to the grave" also attributed to the Prophet as part of these germane narrations, but I was so far unable to trace the chain(s) for that wording.
Wallahu Ta`ala A`lam wa Ahkam. {Glory to You, we know nothing except what You taught us.}
Allah Most High bless and greet the Apple of our eyes, Sayyidina Muhammad and all his Family and Companions!
Hajj Gibril
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Masha'Allah, you seem to be more experienced and qualified than Hadhrat Thaanvi (rahmatullah alayh).Originally Posted by Ultra-Muslim
Ok. That's superstition bordering on paranoia. And the Prophet pbuh said "Seek knowledge even if in China." Unless, the books in China were written at the time by Muslims....
If you think that is true, don't bother learning English, or going to school to learn mathematics, or science, because more than likely the book was written at least in part by a non-Muslim.
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Salamu Alaikum
The hadith of China is Fabircated - Shaikh Gibril has made many errors in his analysis. I was told this by reliable authorites.
As for Maulana Thanvi - it is enough that he was a Mujadid and a Faqih. His words are true and he is not the only one to have uttered them.
May My Soul be sacrificed for your soul, my beloved, my master Muhammad - peace and blessing upon you- !
روحي لروحك الفداء يا حبيبي يا سيدي محمد
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