The Official SAQ/Murabitun debates thread

[The Professor]

Apart from this, what also struck me is that in Norwich Mosque in Summer Murabatun do Dhohar Salah bang on at 13:00 when according to the rest of UK its PRE-ZAWAL and Dhohar hasn’t kicked in. Murabatun believe in some special mechanism/method of calculating Prayer times by which Dhohar falls before the rest of the UK? Not sure about that, either.

Where do you get this stuff from Muadh?!

The prayer times in the Norwich are calculated under the supervision of Shaykh Ali Laraki, a renowned and widely respected Shaykh of fiqh.

If the prayer time doesn't come in until after 1pm, then the salat would not be done until after this time. I was personally at most the dhuhr prayers in the summer, and i don't recall a single day when the prayer was done before its time.

Were you also in the mosque Muadh?

[Colonel_Hardstone]

Firstly, the Murabitun is not a "cult". I don't know why Muadh Khan insists on saying this, but i find it very offensive.

I'm sure if i referred to Muadh Khan everytime as belonging to a cult then he would also find it very offensive. Maybe I should to see how he likes it.

Asslamo Allaikum,

1) If you can name an Organisation/Jamaah which I have done Bayat to

2) If you can then conclusively show that the stance of that Organisation/Jamaah is in contrast to Qur'aan/Sunnah

3) Leaders/Scholars of that Organisation/Jamaah have no Ijazah or Isnaad

4) Leaders/Scholars of that Organisation/Jamaah have a filthy tongue and practise deception

Then you can go ahead and call me a "Cult-Member" and that will be the truth until then it will be a slander and a figment of your imagination, but it suits your ego then go ahead. If it will make you feel better and sleep well tonigh, please go ahead.

I have consistently backed every single point about the Cult called Murabatun, you may disagree but so far you have been unable to answer anything.

Where do you get this stuff from Muadh?!

The prayer times in the Norwich are calculated under the supervision of Shaykh Ali Laraki, a renowned and widely respected Shaykh of fiqh.

If the prayer time doesn't come in until after 1pm, then the salat would not be done until after this time. I was personally at most the dhuhr prayers in the summer, and i don't recall a single day when the prayer was done before its time.

Were you also in the mosque Muadh?

Asslamo Allaikum,

There was a question mark on my post so if you produce the Prayer-Time Table for Summer that'll be great and answer the question, Insha'Allah.

Jamaah (congregation) time in particular.

[laughinglion]

Firstly, the Murabitun is not a "cult". I don't know why Muadh Khan insists on saying this, but i find it very offensive.

I'm sure if i referred to Muadh Khan everytime as belonging to a cult then he would also find it very offensive. Maybe I should to see how he likes it.

The Professor please leave Mu`adh Khan alone (ignore him). He is an ill-intentioned individual. He is not concerned for truth, justice, nor understanding. I invited him to my house to explain his misunderstanding, he refused my offer and continues to interpret the words of others according to his own understanding. It is nothing more than feasting on the flesh of others. Ignore him, leave him to fill his belly. Any impartial people who peruse the forum will see things in their true light....

Understand this, what he sees is a reflection.

with peace

Moderators: I have written this piece in the hope that it will save people being provoked by this persons foolishness, thus leading to further unproductive argument. I have contacted you moderators to alert you to this persons unacceptable and provocative behaviour I have thus been compelled to act.

[The Professor]

Asslamo Allaikum,

1) If you can name an Organisation/Jamaah which I have done Bayat to

2) If you can then conclusively show that the stance of that Organisation/Jamaah is in contrast to Qur'aan/Sunnah

3) Leaders/Scholars of that Organisation/Jamaah have no Ijazah or Isnaad

4) Leaders/Scholars of that Organisation/Jamaah have a filthy tongue and practise deception

Then you can go ahead and call me a "Cult-Member" and that will be the truth until then it will be a slander and a figment of your imagination, but it suits your ego then go ahead. If it will make you feel better and sleep well tonigh, please go ahead.

I have consistently backed every single point about the Cult called Murabatun, you may disagree but so far you have been unable to answer anything.



Asslamo Allaikum,

There was a question mark on my post so if you produce the Prayer-Time Table for Summer that'll be great and answer the question, Insha'Allah.

Jamaah (congregation) time in particular.

Wa alaikum salam.

None of your accusations ever have any substance at all, therefore why do i need to provide any either?

[Colonel_Hardstone]

Asslamo Allaikum,

Murabatun only have January 2009 timetable available on their web-site:

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldcloc...&afl=-11&day=1

Notice the Maghrib times, around 10 minutes before Sunset time according to Observatory (and pretty consistently)

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldcloc...&afl=-11&day=1

If Murabatun can make their yearly prayer timetable available we can discuss the Dhohar times earlier then the entire UK as I have pointed to, Insha'Allah.

I am still "asking" if it is a valid opinion in the Maliki Madhab to pray Dhohar (before Zawal) and Maghrib (before sunset).

As I said before everything I say about this cult, I back it up with evidence but no one answer is given except more personal insults to me and leave them for the Cult to answer with Allah (SWT) on the day of judgement!

Allah (SWT) knows best.

[The Professor]

The Professor please leave Mu`adh Khan alone (ignore him). He is an ill-intentioned individual. He is not concerned for truth, justice, nor understanding. I invited him to my house to explain his misunderstanding, he refused my offer and continues to interpret the words of others according to his own understanding. It is nothing more than feasting on the flesh of others. Ignore him, leave him to fill his belly. Any impartial people who peruse the forum will see things in their true light....

Understand this, what he sees is a reflection.

with peace

Moderators: I have written this piece in the hope that it will save people being provoked by this persons foolishness, thus leading to further unproductive argument. I have contacted you moderators to alert you to this persons unacceptable and provocative behaviour I have thus been compelled to act.

You speak the Truth. Respect.

[The Professor]

Asslamo Allaikum,

Murabatun only have January 2009 timetable available on their web-site:

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldcloc...&afl=-11&day=1

Notice the Maghrib times, around 10 minutes before Sunset time according to Observatory (and pretty consistently)

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldcloc...&afl=-11&day=1

If Murabatun can make their yearly prayer timetable available we can discuss the Dhohar times earlier then the entire UK as I have pointed to, Insha'Allah.

I am still "asking" if it is a valid opinion in the Maliki Madhab to pray Dhohar (before Zawal) and Maghrib (before sunset).

As I said before everything I say about this cult, I back it up with evidence but no one answer is given except more personal insults to me and leave them for the Cult to answer with Allah (SWT) on the day of judgement!

Allah (SWT) knows best.

And this is related to tariqa how?

Is this the best use of your time?

[Colonel_Hardstone]

And this is related to tariqa how?

Is this the best use of your time?

Asslamo Allaikum,

I notice that you still have neither given us the Dhohar Salah Congregation times for Norwich Mosque nor commented on specifics of my post about Maghrib.

Fair enough, track record indicates that Cult Members don't answer any questions usually.

[The Professor]

There are two types of people here:

One type are those that take their prayer time rulings from www.timeanddate.com

One type take their prayer time rulings from a internationally respected and renowned Shaykh of Fiqh.

You clearly belong to the first category.

If you're so concerned about the prayer times in norwich, why don't you come down from the midlands and visit Shaykh Ali Laraki? You might even learn something. Oh no that's right, he's part of a cult isn't he?!
No wonder no one takes whatever you say seriously when you classify Shuyukh is such ways.

[Colonel_Hardstone]

There are two types of people here:

One type are those that take their prayer time rulings from www.timeanddate.com

One type take their prayer time rulings from a internationally respected and renowned Shaykh of Fiqh.

You clearly belong to the first category.

If you're so concerned about the prayer times in norwich, why don't you come down from the midlands and visit Shaykh Ali Laraki? You might even learn something. Oh no that's right, he's part of a cult isn't he?!
No wonder no one takes whatever you say seriously when you classify Shuyukh is such ways.

W-Salam,

Still doesn't answer the question

But I suppose makes your ego feel better about the Cult with words like , "internationally respected and renowned Shaykh of Fiqh".

Fair enough as I said I wasn't expecting an answer as per the track-record.

As far as laughinglion is concerned...I thought it was a general gesture of hospitality amongst Muslims. Didn't know that I was under obligation to seek clarifications about the cult.

The questions are in Public so you guys can answer in Public...If I ever have the need to see Omar (or anyone else) at/above O'Reilly Snooker club in Burton-Upon-Trent (Cult Meeting Place) I will, Insha'Allah.

So far there is no need.