The Official SAQ/Murabitun debates thread

[The Professor]

Asslamo Allaikum,

Your tactics at deception and side-stepping the issues may be fun but this is childish and I will leave you to enjoy it as it suits your age and maturity. Whenever you would like to discuss the issues raised in a mature and respectable manner I will be around, Insha’Allah.

I neither mentioned the Shaykh (by name) nor disrespected him as I don’t know if he is a member of your cult or not as a matter of fact I didn’t even bring the Shaykh into the conversation.

The behaviour of “Cult Members” is for all to see.

As stated before, I have yet to bring any Deobandi or Hanafi Scholars into the Murabatun (Cult) discussion i.e. not listed their opinions not mentioned them, quoted nothing on their authority or through them.

You want to slander them or anyone else, go right ahead. That’s between you & Allah (SWT).

You want to slander me instead of answering the issues, thats also between you and Allah (SWT)

The Cult has enough weaknesses of its own so there is no need for outside help.

And the cult know that it has no answers otherwise it wouldn't duck'n'dive and franticly try to avoid the subject.

Allah (SWT) knows best.

Nice try Muadh.

Sadly your attempts at back-tracking your slanderings are clear to every one in the world to see. You have been exposed repeatedly as a liar, as a back-biting fault finder who makes lies about his Muslim brothers. You have slandered Shuyukh by saying they are members of a cult, you have cowarded out of meeting any of those who were kind enough to forgive your teenage rebellion lies, and yet you still continue with your slandering....
I wonder what Allah's punishment for such people is?

[The Professor]

With regards "side-tracking" I think you will find that this thread was side-tracked by none other than you, and your outlandish and pathetic claims of people "eating probable Haram, facing Kabah the long/other way around".

As is always the case, the accusations you make apply to none other than yourself.

[sahih-baba]

Let me stop you there. THERE IS NO MURABITUN POSITION. There are many Shuyukh and scholars who you would classify as 'Murabitun', including Shaykh Ali Laraki Al-husayni, Shaykh Muhammad Caspi and Shaykh Abdul Kabir, not to mention Hajj Yaseen Dutton, and many many more.
The opinion of one of them does not make it the 'Murabitun' posiition.

Is that clear?

yes it is all red and clear

but problem could arise when 'abdullah and his wife who wears niqab want to join the murabitun. the sisters tell abdullah's wife that SAQ says that niqab is haram.

so abdullah goes to shaykh al iraqi and he says ...no it's not.

then abdullah is puzzled - should my wife listen to SAQ and throw her niqab or listen to a maliki faqih and maintain it?

(please don't take anything personal - these are valid questions!)

[Colonel_Hardstone]

we still haven't got to the bottom of those issues pointed out by sidi mu'adh.

as for the qibla, i think the malikis are the most liberal and allow 180 degrees error.

the mosques of spain face south towards morocco, which might be the meaning of the "long way round" Allahu a'lam

note that shaykh hamza al-maliki prefers the east to north-east as the north american qibla.

as far as i know - it is not permissible to pray zuhr at zawwal!

Asslamo Allaikum,

And you expect the Cult to answer a question or even stick to the subject? Nothing apart from slander, disrespect and pure filth comes from them. And they accuse others of lack of Adab (thats really funny )

You have known about them long enough to realise that they don't answer anything because they can't.

And I am not a Sidi/CD, either

I had a great time with the Murabatun, I hoped that everyone else enjoyed it as much and on that note gotta go until we meet again in another episode of "Raising more issues about the Cult called Murabatun".

Same Place, Same URL but probably a different time and probably with a different cult-member or unless the same members want to continue their slander because they can't answer anything about their cult.

Place to be and People to see.

I leave you all in Peace, Insha'Allah.

[laughinglion]

salam
i would agree with this. but in this case we want to know about some important issues which the public should know if the murabitun are giving da'wa to join them.
we have to know very clearly what the murabitun believe, their fiqh and their tasawwuf.

we all seek truth, so if we see falsehood, there should be no hesitation to say "yes this is falsehood".

This sounds like self-justification. Being that you have clearly stated in the past you have no intention in joining the murabitun. And to ask Mu`adh Khan to furnish with the necessary info is... He interprets things according to jis own deficient understanding. He discusses people who are not present (back-biting) and deliberately misrepresents the views of those people (slander). Thus, stick to that which concerns you and beware of the tricks of the self.

Mu`adh what you claimed about o'reilly's may be close but is incorrect. How much more serious is it when you maybe close to reporting peoples intended meanings but are incorrect?

with peace

[The Professor]

Asslamo Allaikum,

And you expect the Cult to answer a question or even stick to the subject? Nothing apart from slander, disrespect and pure filth comes from them. And they accuse others of lack of Adab (thats really funny )

You have known about them long enough to realise that they don't answer anything because they can't.

And I am not a Sidi/CD, either

I had a great time with the Murabatun, I hoped that everyone else enjoyed it as much and on that note gotta go until we meet again in another episode of "Raising more issues about the Cult called Murabatun".

Same Place, Same URL but probably a different time and probably with a different cult-member or unless the same members want to continue their slander because they can't answer anything about their cult.

Place to be and People to see.

I leave you all in Peace, Insha'Allah.

If you look at all the insults Muadh makes, you will notice a blaringly obvious fact: they all apply to him! Let's see how it looks in print, and see if anyone wants to defend this coward:

Muadh Khan doesn't stick to the subject

Muadh Khan is a member of a cult

Muadh Khan partakes in nothing apart from slander, disrespect and pure filth

Muadh Khan accuses others of lack of Adab

Muadh Khan doesn't answer anything, because he can't

Wow, an exact match!

Anyone want to defend Muadh Khan?

[sahih-baba]

This sounds like self-justification. Being that you have clearly stated in the past you have no intention in joining the murabitun. And to ask Mu`adh Khan to furnish with the necessary info is... He interprets things according to jis own deficient understanding. He discusses people who are not present (back-biting) and deliberately misrepresents the views of those people (slander). Thus, stick to that which concerns you and beware of the tricks of the self.

Mu`adh what you claimed about o'reilly's may be close but is incorrect. How much more serious is it when you maybe close to reporting peoples intended meanings but are incorrect?

with peace

i suppose it's well off the topic, but ANSWERS! sidi, we want ANSWERS! not a victim mentality.

[The Professor]

i suppose it's well off the topic, but ANSWERS! sidi, we want ANSWERS! not a victim mentality.

Your question was a hypothetical one yes?

As your a Maliki you will know that Maliki's don't answer hypothetical questions.

Unless you want me to contradict my own madhabs teachings?
By the way, who is your Shaykh?

With peace

[Abdul Razak]

If you look at all the insults Muadh makes, you will notice a blaringly obvious fact: they all apply to him! Let's see how it looks in print, and see if anyone wants to defend this coward:

Muadh Khan doesn't stick to the subject

Muadh Khan is a member of a cult

Muadh Khan partakes in nothing apart from slander, disrespect and pure filth

Muadh Khan accuses others of lack of Adab

Muadh Khan doesn't answer anything, because he can't

Wow, an exact match!

Anyone want to defend Muadh Khan?

A cult is a group with a leader. Can you name some other members of Muadh Khan's cult? What is the name of the leader? What is the name of this cult?

[sahih-baba]

Your question was a hypothetical one yes?

As your a Maliki you will know that Maliki's don't answer hypothetical questions.

Unless you want me to contradict my own madhabs teachings?
By the way, who is your Shaykh?

With peace

well, that's very cleverly put, but isn't the shaykh himself contradicting the madhhab he himself promotes?

and by the way, sidi, i have told this to sidi celt that my shaykh is not relevant to the discussion WA LA YA'NIK.