Richard Dawkins, the God delusion

[maghrebi]

did anyone read his book the God delusion?
and is there any rebuttal from the muslim camp??

[abdulwahhab]

There is no need to give Dawkins more publicity than he has already received. As most Atheists, he lumps all religion as one. He isn't even that liked by some Atheists because he comes off just as "militant" in his preaching as some evangelical Christians do with their proselytizing.

[maghrebi]

There is no need to give Dawkins more publicity than he has already received. As most Atheists, he lumps all religion as one. He isn't even that liked by some Atheists because he comes off just as "militant" in his preaching as some evangelical Christians do with their proselytizing.

that maybe true, but still I wonder weather from the muslim camp any refutation of rebuttal has been brought out.

[Karim_sunni]

I want to read his book, he gives reasonable arguments i think, off course typical atheistic, but when it comes to evolution it seems he knows what he's talking about, and you have to admit he got some sense of humor lol, see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKGtcVoBhBQ

I love it when Dawkins often starts his argument "i bet if you were born India, you would be saying the same about Lord Krishna and Lord Shiva, if you were born in Viking Norway you would be saying the same thing about Votal" just hilarious i enjoy this acting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmskXXetcg

Dawkins safi , i think i will visit tomorrow amazon.com , and order the God delusion, i am very curious to the evolution arguments.

ma salama

[hasan_ibn_abdullah]

I want to read his book, he gives reasonable arguments i think, off course typical atheistic, but when it comes to evolution it seems he knows what he's talking about, and you have to admit he got some sense of humor lol, see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKGtcVoBhBQ

I love it when Dawkins often starts his argument "i bet if you were born India, you would be saying the same about Lord Krishna and Lord Shiva, if you were born in Viking Norway you would be saying the same thing about Votal" just hilarious i enjoy this acting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmskXXetcg

Dawkins safi , i think i will visit tomorrow amazon.com , and order the God delusion, i am very curious to the evolution arguments.

ma salama

Ones eyes and ears are direct pathways to ones heart. It is best not to let clear toxic waste drive in then to have to clean it up later. No matter how thoroughly a toxic accident is cleaned there will always be traces.

[Karim_sunni]

Ones eyes and ears are direct pathways to ones heart. It is best not to let clear toxic waste drive in then to have to clean it up later. No matter how thoroughly a toxic accident is cleaned there will always be traces.

Salaam akhi, very wise words indeed brother, wollah you make me think akhi, i guess it;s indeed dangerous to read the work, especially if lay men like me don;'t know much about science and evolution etc. But the brothers here who did read it [ the book by Dawkins ] , were his scientic arguments strong or detailed ? or is the book in itself not really much about the theory of evolution, but more a general on religion ?

[source1984]

Salam

Shaykh Hamza Yusuf gave a very general response, without going into specifics to both Sam Harris and Dawkins' books. From Zaytuna's website, http://www.zikrcast.com/podcast/video/ZVCast_Ep4.mp4

Most of the arguments (the attacks on Islam), are not even worth going into, as both Dawkins and Harris give a very simplistic view on Islam. This is because both lack a formal scholarship on the subject, especially Dawkins. They basically take the worst of religion and the best of science and compare. Its foolish and unfair.

As far as the evolution argument is concerned, look, its a scientific theory. And as a theory, it does have some credibility. However, as a scientist I say, that I would rather put my faith in Allah, rather than a field which reorganizes itself every few decades. Today's "facts" are tomorrow's jokes.

[hasan_ibn_abdullah]

Salaam,

As a scientist I think the theory of evolution is not really science. It is philosopy, a messed up one at that. Instead of saying God is the Creator, it says things created themselves or that they were created by nothingness.

If one looks at living things it is very clear that the evidence is overwhelmingly towards indicating a Wise Creator. If it were that things created themselves or that nothingness is the creator then there would be no such things as order. And we'd have to close our eyes not to see the evident order in living things.


[38:27]
And We created not the heaven and the earth and all that is between them in vain. That is the opinion of those who disbelieve. And woe unto those who disbelieve, from the Fire!

wasalaam,

[davidovitch]

Salam

As far as the evolution argument is concerned, look, its a scientific theory. And as a theory, it does have some credibility. However, as a scientist I say, that I would rather put my faith in Allah, rather than a field which reorganizes itself every few decades. Today's "facts" are tomorrow's jokes.

Sheikh Nuh Ha Meem Keller argues in favour of microevolution, that is, changes in the characteristics of a species (like the colour of a butterfly changing) as long as the species does not become another one.

He is against macro-eveolution, the idea that one species can mutate into another one.

Macro-eveolution from ape to human is obviously against the Quran, but what about Macro-evolution between animal species? Is that Islamically acceptable or not?

I am in favour of micro-evolution, ambivalent to cross-special animal evolution, and obviously against ape-human evolution.

[Al-Faruqi]

Brother Karim_sunni, (concerning your post on first page)

If I'd be you then I would be more cautious about "enjoying" kufri statements.
This is a serious advice brother, you have to protect your iman and keep your heart clean! (If I misunderstood you concerning "enjoy" then simply disregard my post brother.)

Why do we Muslims have to read all this kafir rubbish today? We got all we need in 1400 years of Islamic literature, let's read that first. If there's time left, let's got reading the rubbish if you still insist.