Abu Bakr and Umar slapped their Daughters

[mas`ud]

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen....html#009.3506
Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) came and sought permission to see Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). He found people sitting at his door and none amongst them had been granted permission, but it was granted to Abu Bakr and he went in. Then came 'Umar and he sought permission and it was granted to him, and he found Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) sitting sad and silent with his wives around him. He (Hadrat 'Umar) said: I would say something which would make the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) laugh, so he said: Messenger of Allah, I wish you had seen (the treatment meted out to) the daughter ofKhadija when you asked me some money, and I got up and slapped her on her neck. Allah's Messenger (mav peace be upon him) laughed and said: They are around me as you see, asking for extra money. Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) then got up went to 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) and slapped her on the neck, and 'Umar stood up before Hafsa and slapped her saying: You ask Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) which he does not possess. They said: By Allah, we do not ask Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) for anything he does not possess. Then he withdrew from them for a month or for twenty-nine days. Then this verse was revealed to him:" Prophet: Say to thy wives... for a mighty reward" (xxxiii. 28). He then went first to 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) and said: I want to propound something to you, 'A'isha, but wish no hasty reply before you consult your parents. She said: Messenger of Allah, what is that? He (the Holy Prophet) recited to her the verse, whereupon she said: Is it about you that I should consult my parents, Messenger of Allah? Nay, I choose Allah, His Messenger, and the Last Abode; but I ask you not to tell any of your wives what I have said He replied: Not one of them will ask me without my informing her. God did not send me to be harsh, or cause harm, but He has sent me to teach and make things easy.

Crazy stuff...
Can anybody explain?

[mas`ud]

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 828:
Narrated Aisha:

Abu Bakr came to towards me and struck me violently with his fist and said, "You have detained the people because of your necklace." But I remained motionless as if I was dead lest I should awake Allah's Apostle although that hit was very painful.

[Omar_Farouk]

[AbuZayd]

What is crazy?

Are you a Shia, Mas'ud?

[salman]

Sallamu Alaikum

abu bakr Slapped Ayesha?

Poked her..

The term used is the trisyllabic verb w-j-' or waja'a, yaji'u. It means to jab or poke. Not hit, not beat. Jab or poke, like a one year-old jabs or pokes his mummy in the cheek.

As for the issue of Sayyidina Umar attacking Sayyidina Fatima, then know that it is false.

They demanded confirmation of the oath, but Ali and al-Zubair stayed away. Al-Zubair drew his sword (from the scabbard), saying, "I will not put it back until the oath of allegiance is rendered to Ali." When this news reached Abu Bakr and Umar, the latter said, "Hit him with a stone and seize the sword." It is stated that Umar rushed (to the door of the House of Fatimah) and brought them forcibly while telling them that they must give their oath of allegiance willingly or unwillingly.

History of al-Tabari, English version, v9, pp 188-189

This text is evidently a forged report as Ali took pledged allegiance after 6 months, as reported in Bukhari and elsewhere.

Secondly Tabari doesnot mention this at all, but states : "Take his sword and hit the rocks with it."

When Umar came to the door of the house of Fatimah, he said: "By Allah, I shall burn down (the house) over you unless you come out and give the oath of allegiance (to Abu Bakr)."



- History of Tabari (Arabic), v1, pp 1118-1120
- History of Ibn Athir, v2, p325
- al-Isti'ab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, v3, p975
- Tarikh al-Kulafa, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, p20
- al-Imamah wal-Siyasah, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, pp 19-20

The above is not in Tabari nor in Ibn Athir. Al Istiab only mentions Sayyidina Umar saying, "I shall do this and that." Al Imama Wa Siyasah and Tarikh al Khulafa are spurious works attributed to Ibn Qutaybah whic he never authored.

Abu Bakr said on the authority of an authentic report that, after the demise of the holy Prophet when the people had paid fealty to him, Ali and Zubair used to go to Fatimah al-Zahra, daughter of the Prophet, for consultation. When this fact was known to Umar, he went to Fatimah and said:


QUOTE
"O' daughter of the Prophet! I didn't love anyone as much as I loved your father, nor anyone after him is more loving to me as you are. But I swear by Allah that if these people assemble here with you, then this love of mine would not prevent me from setting your house on fire."



- History of Tabari, in the events of the year 11 AH
- al-Imamah wa al-Siyasah by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, beginning of the book, and pp 19-20
- Izalatul Khilafa, by Shah Waliullah Muhaddith Dehlavi, v2, p362
- Iqd al-Farid, by Ibn Abd Rabbah al-Malik, v2, chapter of Saqifah

This is not in Tabari; neither Al Imama Wa Siyasa nor Tarikh Kulafa, which as i mentioned are notworks of Ibn Qutayba but forgeries; Aqd al-Farid is a work of literary history; as for Shah Waliyyullah he is a very late source entirely irrelevant in this regard.

Umar said to Fatimah (who was behind the door of her house): "I know that the Prophet of God did not love any one more than you, but this will not stop me to carry out my decision. If these people stay in your house, I will burn the door in front of you."

Kanz al-Ummal, v3, p140

A lie. the actual report in Kanz Al Ammal says:

-- When Abu Bakr received the pledges of allegiance after the Messenger of Allah, Ali and Zubayr used to enter the presence of Fatima the daughter of the Messenger of Allah and consult with her and hesitate in their allegiance. When news of this reached Umar, he came out until he entered Fatima's presence and said: "Daughter of the Messenger of Allah, none in all creation was more dearly beloved to me than your father, and none is more beloved to us after him than you. However, by Allah, this shall not prevent me, if that group gathers in your house, to order that their door be set afire!" When Umar went out, they came and she said: "Do do you know that Umar came to me and swore by Allah that if you were to come back, he shall surely burn the door with you inside! By Allah, he shall certainly fulfill what he swore, so go away in peace, flee from your opinion, and do not come back to see me." They left her and did not return to see her until they pledged their allegiance to Abu Bakr.

This hadith is Sahih.

"From Umar's irritable and peevish temperament such an action on his part was not improbable."

Immediately before this Maulana Numani indicated that most of the chains for these narrations are flawed.

Abu Bakr said (on his death bed): "I wish I had not searched for Fatimah's house, and had not sent men to harass her, though it would have caused a war if her house would have continued to be used as a shelter."

There is no record of anyone except Umar talking to her. The wording in Yaqubi and Tabari doesnot say, "And Sent ment to harass her."

The historian named the following people among those who attacked the house of Fatimah to disperse people who sheltered there:

- Umar Ibn al-Khattab
- Khalid Ibn Walid
- Abdurrahman Ibn Ouf
- Thabit Ibn Shammas
- Ziad Ibn Labid
- Muhammad Ibn Maslamah
- Salamah Ibn Salem Ibn Waqash
- Salamah Ibn Aslam
- Usaid Ibn Hozair
- Zaid Ibn Thabit

None of the sources mention any of these names.

"I take Allah and the angels to be my witness that you have not pleased me; on the other hand, you have angered me. When I shall meet the Prophet (&HF) I will complain about you two."

al-Imamah wa al-Siyasah, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, p14

Firstly Akhi, even supposing that Sayyedina Fatima was angry at Abu bakr we must note that Fatima was not omniscient, and her understanding was as limited as that of any other human: just as Musa lost patience with Khidr, because he did not understand the latters actions, so Fatima lost patience with Abu Bakr, since she misunderstood the latters actions.

And note that Musa - peace be upon him- is Infallible.

When Fatima fell sick Abu Bakr Siddiq came and asked permission to see her. Ali said: "Fatima, here is Abu Bakr asking permission to see you." She said: "Would you like me to give him permission?" [1] He said yes, whereupon she gave him permission. He entered to see her, seeking her good pleasure, and said: "By Allah! I did not leave my house, property, family, and tribe except to please Allah, and to please His Prophet, and to please you, the People of the House (ahl al bayt)! He continued to seek her good pleasure until she was pleased." [2]

[1] Al-Dhahabi said in the Siyar (Al Arna'ut ed. 2:121): "She applied the Sunna by not giving permission to anyone to enter her husbands house except by his command."

[2] Bayhaqi in al Sunan al Kubra (6:300-301) and Dala'il al-Nubuwwa (7:273-281) who said: "It is narrated with a fair (hasan) chain." Muhibb al Din al-Tabari cited it in al Riyad Al Nadira (2:96-97 #534) and Dhahabi in the Siyar (Ibid). Ibn Kathir states it as Sahih in his Al Bidayah and Ibn Hajar in his Fath Al Bari.

Wallahu A'lam

[Muawiyah]

The hadeeth says Umar Radhi Allaahu 'anhu hit his daughter Hafsa Radhi Allahu 'anha and Abu Bakr Radhi Allaahu 'anhu hit his daughter 'Aaishah Radhi Allaahu 'anha. So the claim that "Abu Bakr and Umar slapped 'A'isha" is a typical Rafidhi lie.


Secondly the Rawafidh are people devoid of Eemaan in (besides other things) the Quraan. The "Shi'ite Encyclopedia" besides the straw-men, the frauds and the lies, has this gem to offer:

"One important remark, here, is that, we cannot call any person (Shi'a or Sunni) who claims Quran is incomplete, as Kafir.
This is simply because believing in the completeness of Quran is not an article of faith, nor do we have any tradition saying that anyone who claims Quran is incomplete, is a Kafir."

So a shia who believes that the Quraan has been altered in any way after the death of Rasoolullah Sallalaahu 'alyhi wa Sallam, is a kaafir like a Qadiani, [who disbelieve in the Finality of Prophethood for Rasoolullah Sallalaahu 'alyhi wa Sallam]

And the shia who says he believes the Quraan is unaltered is a kaafir like a Lahori, [who do not consider the belief in Finality of Prophethood for Rasoolullah Sallalaahu 'alyhi wa Sallam to be an article of faith]


So debates with the shi'ites should focus on basic matters of Eemaan and Kufr.

And secondly in addition to what br. Salmaan (Hafizahullah) said i'd like to add that Shah Waliullah Rahimahullah has also REFUTED the idea that Umar Radhi Allaahu 'anhu attacked the house of 'Ali Radhi Allaahu 'Anhu, in his Izalat-ul-khafa 'an khilafat-ul-khulafa (there is no book titled Izalatul Khilafa), so it's extremely fraudulent (as usual) for the rawafidh to cite him as a source.

[mas`ud]

Jazakallah...

What is crazy?

Are you a Shia, Mas'ud?

no im not shia
nor am I sunni.
Im a muslim.
If you call yourself sunni then your going against the teachings of the Quran:
3:103
And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves;

[mas`ud]

Brother Salman could you please type all this up into that site that I posted.

Because some muslims could get misguided from that site.
Jazakallah.

[AbuZayd]

Assalamu alaykum,

I apologise if I offended you in asking that question, however, I find your use of the phrase "crazy stuff" following a Hadith from Bukhari provocative and disrespectful.

As for the use of the term Sunni - it is the same as Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah and to quote Shaykh G.F. Haddad:

Literal translation: The people of the traditional way and of the congregation.

Meaning: The people who follow the Prophetic Sunna and adhere to the largest mass of the Muslims beginning with the congregation of the Companions of the Prophet .

Antonym: "Ahl al-Bid`a wa al-Dalala" = the people of innovation and misguidance, i.e. all non-Sunni Muslims.



Some proof-texts:

"My Community shall divide into seventy-three sects, all of them in the Fire except one: [Those that follow] that which I and my Companions follow." A sound narration from `Abd Allah ibn `Amr by al-Tirmidhi (h.asan gharib).

Another version states: "My Community shall divide into seventy-three sects, all of them in the Fire except one: the Congregation (jama`a)." Narrated from Abu Hurayra by Ibn Majah and, as part of a longer h.adith, from Mu`awiya by Abu Dawud and Ah.mad all with good chains as stated by al-`Iraqi in al-Mughni while al-H.akim (1:128=1990 ed. 1:218) said "a sound chain" and al-Dhahabi concurred, and from Anas by Abu Ya`la in his Musnad as stated in Kashf al-Khafa.

In the same sense the Prophet said ‚ Allah bless and greet him and his family: "My Companions are trustkeepers for my Community" [Narrated from Abu Musa al-Ash`ari by Muslim and Ah.mad as part of a longer h.adith] and "Mankind makes up one portion (h.ayyiz) and I and my Companions make up one portion [counter-balancing it]." Narrated from Abu Sa`id al-Khudri, Rafi` ibn Khadij, and Zayd ibn Thabit by Ah.mad and al-T.abarani in al-Kabir (3:341 #4444), the former with a chain of sound narrators according to al-Haythami (5:250, 10:17), "a sound chain" according to al-Zayn in the Musnad (10:72 #11110, 16:43 #21521) and al-H.akim (2:258 ‚ al-Dhahabi concurred) while al-Arna'ut declares Ah.mad's chain "cut off" (munqati`) but the h.adith itself s.ah.ih. li ghayrih in his edition of the Musnad (17:258 #11167); also by Ibn Abi Shayba (14:498-499), al-T.ayalisi in his Musnad (#2205), al-Qud.a`i in Musnad al-Shihab (#845), and al-Bayhaqi in Dala'il al-Nubuwwa (5:109-110). The complete narration states: "When the verse { When comes the Help of Allah, and Victory} (110:1) was revealed, the Messenger of Allah ‚ Allah bless and greet him and his family ‚ recited it until he finished it and said: `Mankind makes up one portion and I and my Companions make up one portion.' And he said: `There is no longer emigration (hijra) after victory but there remains jihad and intention (niyya) [for emigration].'"

[mas`ud]

salamlaiukum.

How could slapping a wife make the prophet happy?