The Official Deobandi/Barelwi Thread

[AbuZayd]

The most important matter of difference (in my view) is that we don't believe that ambiyaa and awliyaa can percieve equally from near and far.

Could you elaborate on this Akhi?

[Abu Usama]

Salam,

Berelvis beleive that RasoolAllah (saw) can hear us when we call to him and ask him for help. However, what differentiates them from others is that they say that it is not necessary that we must be at RasoolAllah's grave to hear us, but that we can be at the other side of the earth and Rasoolallah (saw) will hear us as if w were in front of him. This ability of hearing is one of the characterisitics of RasoolAllah (saw) being haazir wa naazir, according to berelvis.

wASalam

[AbuZayd]

I am not a Barelwi but I always thought that, for example, Rasul Allah saw answers our Salaam whether we be at his side or in the U.K. ?

[Abu Usama]

Yes, that is our (Sunni) belief. Others say that the angels carry the salams to RasoolAllah (saw) (as there are hadith to back this up). Or so I am told. Allahu A'lam.

[Muawiyah]

There are many ahadeeth that show that salaams from afar are CONVEYED to Rasoolullah Sallalaahu 'alyhi wa Sallam

إن لله ملائكة سياحين في الأرض يبلغوني من أمتي السلام
[رواه النسائي بحوالہ ضرب المهند]

Verily Allah has some angels who tour the earth bringing to me the salutations of my ummah

من صلى علي عند قبري سمعته ومن صلى علي نائياً ابلغته
[رواه البهيقي في شعب الايمان بحوالہ ضرب المهند]

One who offers salutation at my grave, I hear and one who offers salutation from afar it (his salutation) is conveyed to me

إن خير أيامكم يوم الجمعة ……… فأكثروا علي من الصلٰوة فيه فإن صلٰوتكم معروضة علي
………
[ابو داؤد، نسائي، ابن ماجة بحوالہ ضرب المهند]

Verily the best of your days is the day of Jumu'ah .... so increase in it, your salutations upon me for your salutations are presented to me...

[AbuZayd]

Assalamu alaykum,

So according to the Deobandis Rasul Allah saw can only hear you if you are next to his grave and the Barelwis say he saw can hear us anywhere?

[Shaykhs-Pir Sahib]

as salamu alaykum

the best thing to do would be ask a deobandi 'alim.

however i would recommend one read 'the prophets in barzakh' by al-sayyid muhammad 'alawi al-maliki.

i believe Shaykh GF Haddad has translated it....

[Ansari]

I came across this sunni site that insults the deobandi ulema:

http://www.ahle-sunnat.org.uk/SATSCH3.html

They're bashing deobandi's:

The fact that the Wahhabi\Deobandi\Tablighi group is misguided goes without saying. The only question that remains is how we should treat this misguided group. What better example could there be to solve this problem then that of the Holy Prophet(Sallal Laahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam) himself.

A misguided site?

[Muawiyah]

oh don't worry, this is fake Hussaam ul Haramayn stuff, it has been answered nearly a century ago.

[Abu Usama]

Salam,

you know these kind of sites really do infuriate me. I come from a berelvi background and walahi i have tried to examine the beliefs and practises, but then they come out with all of this kayrap and I just go more and more away from them. Maybe somebody should tell them that thier baatil slander against the ulema al-haqq is driving people away, not just from berelvi-ism, but from ahlus sunnah completely.


So yes, it is a misguided site.