Learning Quran first without Tajweed?

[Al-Faruqi]

I recently started learning some ayat with a brother and I used to memorize them with tajweed (I don't know every rule but at least the basic ones) but now he says that I shouldn't memorize with tajweed. He says that I should memorize the plain Ayat without tajweed so that I'll be able to learn real tajweed later and then apply it to ayat I memorized in former times.

Is this thinking correct?

[intentions2actions]

I recently started learning some ayat with a brother and I used to memorize them with tajweed (I don't know every rule but at least the basic ones) but now he says that I shouldn't memorize with tajweed. He says that I should memorize the plain Ayat without tajweed so that I'll be able to learn real tajweed later and then apply it to ayat I memorized in former times.

Is this thinking correct?

Is this brother a teacher or a student teacher? if so, they would know what they are talking about inshallah from experience what has worked best with their students.

See the difficulty here is we cant hear you recite and say if the advice given if adequate as in is this the best way to proceed for you

What i normally advice is: recite the Qur'an with tajweed no matter how little it is as it will most definitely be more accurate than what was being previously recited inshallah. Also this means as your tajweed improves so will your recitations so keep going back to your surahs and it becomes easier for you to correct as your making less and less mistakes. also you are more aware of what you are doing and know where your at, rather than having to memorise it knowingly wrong and then unlearning it only to learn it again - i find it's harder this way and a long process, as old habits die hard.

You should be aiming to avoid Al-Lahn Al-Jaliy these are the plain and obvious mistakes/major errors which are Haram. for example 1. Replacing one letter for another, 2. Replacing one vowel for another, 3. Ignoring necessary Madds (long vowel), 4.Stopping or pausing in the wrong place.

Try not to worry too much about Al-Lahn Al-Khafiy, the concealed mistakes, you'll soon avoid this also with practise and more understanding of the makraj (place of origin) and sifaat (qualities)

Allah tala knows best!

May Allah swt help you learn tajweed and make hifz easy for you and for us. Ameen!

i hope i've helped and have made sense if not inshallah i'll try to correct this tomorrow after a goodnight sleep.



p.s. the more you practise your tajweed the more easier it'll become

[Al-Faruqi]

for yor detailed answer.

No, as far as I know he is not a tajweed teacher.
I don't think that he disapproved of my tajweed, it more seems to be a type learning method, instead of learning ayat with little tajweed by heart he prefers no tajweed and says that then when making hifz learn real tajweed and apply this to what you already memorized.

[KeepTheGazeDown]

I recently started learning some ayat with a brother and I used to memorize them with tajweed (I don't know every rule but at least the basic ones) but now he says that I shouldn't memorize with tajweed. He says that I should memorize the plain Ayat without tajweed so that I'll be able to learn real tajweed later and then apply it to ayat I memorized in former times.

Is this thinking correct?

When a bad habit sets in than it is very hard to break. Important point in tajweed is not memorisation but how to apply the tajweed rules effectively. Going down the line insha-Allah after constantly reciting the proper way even if you forget the tajweed rules you will still naturally read correctly.

[intentions2actions]

for yor detailed answer.

No, as far as I know he is not a tajweed teacher.
I don't think that he disapproved of my tajweed, it more seems to be a type learning method, instead of learning ayat with little tajweed by heart he prefers no tajweed and says that then when making hifz learn real tajweed and apply this to what you already memorized.

Akhi if I’m not being too forward you should really find out if the brother has permission to teach as when he is reciting to you, you may pick up/adopt his mistakes if any.

out of curiosity whose recitation do you listen to? I've been advised by my teacher to listen to Shaik Khaleel Husary as his recitation is clear and at a slow pace therefore you can hear the rules being implemented. If you copy him exactly you are more or less there.

Also this aids in hifz: if you listen to the surah you're memorising repetitively and copy with and without the text, inshallah you will be memorising faster and with tajweed.

[Al-Faruqi]

No I don't think that the brother has an ijazah, anyways it is very difficult to find any scholar in Germany, even more if you want some with ijazah.

I like Sa'ad Al-Ghamadi very nice to listen and he's not reading to fast :hamd:

[intentions2actions]

No I don't think that the brother has an ijazah, anyways it is very difficult to find any scholar in Germany, even more if you want some with ijazah.

I like Sa'ad Al-Ghamadi very nice to listen and he's not reading to fast :hamd:

fair enough, it took me a long time to find a teacher so i can appreciate your predicament and circumstance

Best of luck, may Allah make it easy for you! Ameen!

[bint abdul hameed]

Asalamu Alaikum,

um I think u should definitely learn Tajweed first according to my own experience, nd 2 what my friends, teachers said....cuz after completing you will have a hard time applying it all to Tajweed....

[Abdul Sattar]

salaam,

With full respect to the brother, that is some of the worst advice I have EVER heard with regards to memorizing Quran.

DO NOT, DO NOT - learn Quran without Tajwid. If you are a child and are learning your first Surahs, it is a different story.

But at this point - you must absolutely learn the correct makhaarij for all the letters, and understand the rules of tajwid. If you memorize without doing this, you will end up forcing yourself to have to spend DOUBLE the time in re-memorizing all of your old surahs.

It is much harder to root out incorrect sounds and replace them with the correct ones, than to memorizing them right to begin with. I have seen so many students who struggle because they memorized so much......but have the makhaarij completely messed up.

Please learn tajwid first - it will save you much time and effort.

On top of that, this is Quran. It is the Book of Allah. It has the RIGHT to be recited in accordance with the rules and beauty that is part of the tradition by which it was passed down to us. We shouldn't recite it with anything less.

wa salaam
Abdul Sattar

[sudoku]

DO NOT, DO NOT - learn Quran without Tajwid. If you are a child and are learning your first Surahs, it is a different story.

Please learn tajwid first - it will save you much time and effort.

I partially agree with the above quote, since I think a child should definitely learn with tajweed too!

My father is not a Qari but he has ijaza to teach and is very particular about his tajweed. When both he and my mother teach the children in the local masjid, they always make sure the child learns with tajweed. They teach from the Noorani Qaidah which in itself is almost like a complete tajweed book. Many times children who studied with other teachers end up having to restart the Qaidah with my parents because even their makhaarij are wrong. Learning with tajweed is essential; according to my Dad, there's no such thing as reading the Quran without it. When some students would be told to recite a particular surah from memory, and they'd ask "with or without tajwid?", my parents purposely put a bewildered face and ask back, "How do you read without tajwid?"

Even if you're memorizing small suraat, do it with tajweed, because reading without, as someone mentioned, is like a bad habit that'll be even more difficult to rectify afterwards. There are teachers who make their students memorize the Quran without even proper makhaarij, and I promise, it makes you cry thinking how much effort the child must have put it memorizing, and yet he's making Lahn-e-Jalee while leading taraweeh!

The first thing I learnt from every single tajweed book I studied was

"Wa Rattilil Qur'aana Tarteela" (And recite the Qur'aan with Tarteel)

According to Ali (RA) "At-Tarteelu tajweed ulhuroofi wa ma'aarifatul wuqoofi" (Tarteel is to recite the letters with tajweed and knowing all the places of stopping (waqf and sukoot).

Since I'm posting from memory, I don't have the source at hand. Insha Allah I'll post it when I find it.