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    Post Taqleed of one madhab and being a Mujtahid

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Dujanah AlAthari View Post
    The Hanafi Math'hab is one of the four fiqhi schools, while "Wahabism" is a term used to refer to the Salafi manhaj and aquidah. You can be both Hanafi and Salafi/Wahabi.
    Assalamu 'Alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakaatuh,

    Pardon my ignorance bro, but isn't the salafee manhaj agaisnt taqleed?
    "Put aside your pride, set down your arrogance, and remember your grave."

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    Default Re: Hanafi & wahabi

    Quote Originally Posted by 'Abd al-Baari View Post
    Assalamu 'Alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakaatuh,

    Pardon my ignorance bro, but isn't the salafee manhaj agaisnt taqleed?
    Assalamu Alaikum,

    First of all, being a Hanafi does not automatically make you a muqallid, as you could be a mujtahid in the school. Secondly, the Salafi manhaj is not opposed to taqleed, but rather to ta'ssub. In fact, the majority of Salafi ulama encourage the students of knowledge to study fiqh according to one of the mathaahib and they themselves, for the most part, follow a mathhab (The great majority of scholars in the Khaleej are Hanbali/Salafi ... Ibn Baazm Ibn Uthaymeen, Ibn jibreen..etc are all considered hanabilah). What Salafis discourage is the blind following of a math'hab, and following it even if it clearly violates the daleel.
    إن كان تابع أحمد متوهباً=فأنا المقر بأنني وهابي
    أنفي الشريك عن الإلهِ فليس لي=رب سوى المتفرد الوهاب


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    Default Re: Hanafi & wahabi

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Dujanah AlAthari View Post
    Assalamu Alaikum,

    First of all, being a Hanafi does not automatically make you a muqallid, as you could be a mujtahid in the school. Secondly, the Salafi manhaj is not opposed to taqleed, but rather to ta'ssub. In fact, the majority of Salafi ulama encourage the students of knowledge to study fiqh according to one of the mathaahib and they themselves, for the most part, follow a mathhab (The great majority of scholars in the Khaleej are Hanbali/Salafi ... Ibn Baazm Ibn Uthaymeen, Ibn jibreen..etc are all considered hanabilah). What Salafis discourage is the blind following of a math'hab, and following it even if it clearly violates the daleel.

    Wa'Alaykumus Salaam,

    I see, jazaakAllah khayr akhee : )
    "Put aside your pride, set down your arrogance, and remember your grave."

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    Default Re: Hanafi & wahabi

    Quote Originally Posted by 'Abd al-Baari View Post
    Wa'Alaykumus Salaam,

    I see, jazaakAllah khayr akhee : )
    Wa'iyyaakum Akhi.
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    What Salafis discourage is the blind following of a math'hab, and following it even if it clearly violates the daleel.
    Are you a mujtahid that you can form an opinion on a matter and analyse daleel. This is a load of rubbish. Taqleed us skakhsi is Wujoob bil ghair- compulsory by virtue of an external factor.

    Opinions in all the 4 schools are correct and a person should choose a school and stick to the rulings in his/her paticular school.

    Picking and choosing also known as fatwa shopping is something that can lead one seriously astray.

    To be honest who would you rather do taqleed of. The great classical ulema from the early generations- the 4 imams or scholars from the last century of so whoose knowledge is incomparable to the like of imam abu hanifa, imam shafi, imam malik and imam ahmed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Omar Farooq View Post




    Are you a mujtahid that you can form an opinion on a matter and analyse daleel. This is a load of rubbish. Taqleed us skakhsi is Wujoob bil ghair- compulsory by virtue of an external factor.

    Opinions in all the 4 schools are correct and a person should choose a school and stick to the rulings in his/her paticular school.

    Picking and choosing also known as fatwa shopping is something that can lead one seriously astray.

    To be honest who would you rather do taqleed of. The great classical ulema from the early generations- the 4 imams or scholars from the last century of so whoose knowledge is incomparable to the like of imam abu hanifa, imam shafi, imam malik and imam ahmed.
    Assalamu Alaikum,

    It would be nice if you supported your claim with some proof! What evidence do you have from the Ahadeeth/sayings of the Salaf that indicates that following ONE MATH'HAB is a fareedah?

    Jazakallahu Khairan.
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    أنفي الشريك عن الإلهِ فليس لي=رب سوى المتفرد الوهاب


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    Default Re: Hanafi & wahabi

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Dujanah AlAthari View Post
    Assalamu Alaikum,

    It would be nice if you supported your claim with some proof! What evidence do you have from the Ahadeeth/sayings of the Salaf that indicates that following ONE MATH'HAB is a fareedah?

    Jazakallahu Khairan.


    That contradicts your previous statement Akhi, you said

    being a Hanafi does not automatically make you a muqallid, as you could be a mujtahid in the school.
    Does being a hanafi mean you take hanbali or maliki opinion? If not then you are muqallid to hanafi madhab. Being mujtahid in hanafi madhab is a totally different thing. Lets not mix the two.

    Are you a mujtahid in hanbaliya? or mujtahid mutlaq?

    Also can you cite something that says if following one madhab is not the fareedha then what is it? Is it sunnah, mustahab, permissible, makruh or bid'ah?

    Ahl e hadeeth of pakistan will tell you it is shirk!



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    Default Re: Hanafi & wahabi

    Quote Originally Posted by abuhajira View Post


    That contradicts your previous statement Akhi, you said

    Does being a hanafi mean you take hanbali or maliki opinion? If not then you are muqallid to hanafi madhab. Being mujtahid in hanafi madhab is a totally different thing. Lets not mix the two.

    Are you a mujtahid in hanbaliya? or mujtahid mutlaq?
    I dont think I made a contradiction Akhi. I was just stating that being a Hanafi does not automatically make you a muqallid of Abu Haneefah in Furoo'. For example, often times Al-Shaybaani agreed with Maalik and Al-Shafie on fiqhi issues -- does that make him Mujtahid Mutlaq? No, because he made taqleed of Abu Hanifah in usool. Ibn Taymiyah was Hanbali, but disagreed with Imam Ahmed on many issues, but yet he is considered to be a Hanbali scholar.


    Also can you cite something that says if following one madhab is not the fareedha then what is it? Is it sunnah, mustahab, permissible, makruh or bid'ah?

    Ahl e hadeeth of pakistan will tell you it is shirk!
    If someone is not a mujtahud, he must make taqleed, simply because he is ignorant and cannot make his own istinbaat from the nusoos. But where is it mentioned that the muqallid must follow only one scholar/mathhab? (Im not being sarcastic, I really want to know!).

    According to what I have read, making taqleed on one Imam/school is considered to be a rukhsah for those who are not willing to spend the time researching the different opinions...etc Therefore I suppose that it is mubah to follow one mathhab. I have my final exams this week, so I apologize if I seem to be rushed
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    Default Re: Hanafi & wahabi

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Dujanah AlAthari View Post
    According to what I have read, making taqleed on one Imam/school is considered to be a rukhsah for those who are not willing to spend the time researching the different opinions...etc Therefore I suppose that it is mubah to follow one mathhab. I have my final exams this week, so I apologize if I seem to be rushed


    Please cite where it says that it is a rukhsa ? and is that opinion from ijtihad or nasus?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Dujanah AlAthari View Post
    But where is it mentioned that the muqallid must follow only one scholar/mathhab?

    I hope you know the difference between following a madhab and following one scholar as madhab isnīt one scholar show.


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