Asslamo Allaikum,
Uttering "Ya Muhammad (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam)" is highly disrespectful, whether you are in Madinah or in New York.
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...74&postcount=1
Re: When did the Prophet (s.a.w.) ever teach to call on the dead asking their help?
Asslamo Allaikum,
Uttering "Ya Muhammad (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam)" is highly disrespectful, whether you are in Madinah or in New York.
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...74&postcount=1
Re: When did the Prophet (s.a.w.) ever teach to call on the dead asking their help?
Originally Posted by Muadh_Khan
I agree with you. It is disrespectful to call a person directly by his name especially when that person is older, or highly knowledgeable. when we address scholars, we say Sheikh or Moulana and we do not use their name. and so when it comes to the greatest of mankind, using the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) name and saying Ya Muhammad is highly disrespectful and inappropriate.
Re: When did the Prophet (s.a.w.) ever teach to call on the dead asking their help?
Re: When did the Prophet (s.a.w.) ever teach to call on the dead asking their help?
Ibrahim Ibn Naila al-Asbahani narrated to us from al-Hasan Ibn `Umar Ibn Shaqiq
from Ma`ruf Ibn Hasan al-Samarqandi from Sa’id Ibn Abi Aruba from Qatada from
Abdullah Ibn Burayda from `Abdullah Ibn Mas`ud that he said: ‘The Messenger of
Allah said:
“When one loses his means of transport in a (deserted) land,
he should call: “O slaves of Allah! Help me recover
(my transport)” for there are many of Allah’s attendants on this
earth. They will help you recover it.”
Decalred Hasan by Shaykh Mahmud Mamduh
Al Hakim narates and declared sahih:
“When Adam committed his mistake he said: O my Lord, I am asking you
to forgive me for the sake of Muhammad. Allah said: O Adam, and how do
you know about Muhammad whom I have not yet created? Adam replied,
O my Lord, after You created me with your hand and breathed into me of
Your Spirit, I raised my head and saw written on the heights of the Throne:
la ilaha illallah muhammadun rasulallah. I understood that You would not
place next to Your Name but the Most Beloved One of Your creation. Allah
said: O Adam, I have forgiven you, and were it not for Muhammad I would
not have created you.”
The first hadeeth show the permissability of seeking aid through the Awliya, The second show permissability od seeking aid through Rasoolullah SAW.
Re: When did the Prophet (s.a.w.) ever teach to call on the dead asking their help?
http://www.sunnipath.com/Library/Art...R00000010.aspx
Tawassul: Supplicating Allah through an Intermediary
© Nuh Ha Mim Keller, 1995
Supplicating Allah by means of an intermediary, whether it be a living person, dead person, a good deed, or a name or Attribute of Allah Most High. The scholar, YUSUF RIFA'I, says: I here want to convey the position, attested to by compelling legal evidence, of the orthodox majority of Sunni Muslims on the subject of supplicating Allah through an intermediary (tawassul), and so I say (and Allah alone gives success) that since there is no disagreement among scholars that supplicating Allah through an intermediary is in principle legally valid, the discussion of its details merely concerns derived rulings that involve interschool differences, unrelated to questions of belief or unbelief, monotheism or associating partners with Allah (shirk); the sphere of the question being limited to permissibility or impermissibility, and its ruling being that it is either lawful or unlawful. There is no difference among groups of Muslims in their consensus on the permissibility of three types of supplicating Allah through an intermediary (tawassul):
1. TAWASSUL through a living righteous person to Allah Most High, as in the hadith of the blind man with the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) as we shall explain;
2. The TAWASSUL of a living person to Allah Most High through his own good deeds, as in the hadith of the three people trapped in a cave by a great stone, a hadith related by Imam Bukhari in his "Sahih;"
And the TAWASSUL of a person to Allah Most High through His entity (dhat), names, attributes, and so forth.
Since the legality of these types is agreed upon, there is no reason to set forth the evidence for them. The only area of disagreement is supplicating Allah (tawassul) through a righteous dead person. The majority of the orthodox Sunni Community hold that it is lawful, and have supporting hadith evidence , of which we will content ourselves with the Hadith of the Blind Man, since it is the central pivot upon which the discussion turns.
For further info , please check the following link
http://www.sunnipath.com/Library/Art...R00000010.aspx
Re: When did the Prophet (s.a.w.) ever teach to call on the dead asking their help?
Only deviated or ignorant will try to pass istighatha as tawassul.
Last edited by bugmenot; 31-05-2009 at 07:53 PM.
Re: When did the Prophet (s.a.w.) ever teach to call on the dead asking their help?
Assalam o alaykum,
Imam Rabbani Mawlana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
And that which has been mentioned in some narrations, ‘Aid me, oh slaves of Allah.’ In reality this is not isti’anah at the grave but the seeking of aid from the slaves of Allah who are in the desert; in that Allah has appointed them there for some work. So this is not from this (the concept of isti’anah). To bring [this] as proof of permissibility is ignorance of the meaning of the hadith.
http://deoband.org/2009/02/aqida/dev...efs/istigatha/
Who are these slaves?
Abdullah ibn Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) says that there are some angels of Allah in the deserts, where one loses something then say, help me o slaves of Allah.
[Majma al-Zawaid, p.132]
From this we understand that this is not seeking aid in those matters that are ma fawq al-asbab (above the means). This help is in the matters which are in the qudrah of the creation (amoor adiya) like finding one's lost animals or showing the path if one is lost in a desert.
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...=43379&page=11
Only someone who is not aware of the difference between tawassul and istigatha would bring forth the above narration.Originally posted by MujahidAbdullah:
“When Adam committed his mistake he said: O my Lord, I am asking you
to forgive me for the sake of Muhammad. Allah said: O Adam, and how do
you know about Muhammad whom I have not yet created? Adam replied,
O my Lord, after You created me with your hand and breathed into me of
Your Spirit, I raised my head and saw written on the heights of the Throne:
la ilaha illallah muhammadun rasulallah. I understood that You would not
place next to Your Name but the Most Beloved One of Your creation. Allah
said: O Adam, I have forgiven you, and were it not for Muhammad I would
not have created you.”
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Re: When did the Prophet (s.a.w.) ever teach to call on the dead asking their help?
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Re: When did the Prophet (s.a.w.) ever teach to call on the dead asking their help?
Amin!
Re: When did the Prophet (s.a.w.) ever teach to call on the dead asking their help?
salam,
This is not a proof. Godilali posted an excellent link which is a translation of Sh. Dido's answer on the matter.
Just something to provide perspective:
For anyone who holds it permissible to call upon those awliyaa who have passed away seeking their aid in asking Allah, it might be interesting to think about two points:
1. The Prophets are higher than the awliyaa.
2. Would it not then be fitting to call upon Jesus?
What does such an attitude do to this religion?
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