Choosing an imam

[ssjkakarot]

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[bugmenot]

This is what I found:

then the one who is handsome

rather the one that has the face with noor/enlighted as it could inform on the quality of the innerself and could attach people's heart to pray in congregation

then the one with beautiful wife

rather the 'best' spouse due to her chastity/rank/nobility

And btw the name of the book is "Rad al Muhtar" but the version of the attack is also found against a passage from maraqi al falah

Btw in every madhhab there were some weird positions but ill-intentioned people will only notice these.

[Ali al-Hanafi]

In Hanafi fiqh, from what I've read, this is the criteria that must be used when choosing who should be made imam. In order of importance:

1. Most knowledgable in terms of rules pertaining to salah (provided he isn't an open sinner)
2. Person who can recite quran well
3. Person that's most pious
4. Oldest person
5. Then the most good mannered.

And if after all these aren't satisfied, I was told that there was more stuff to look out for. Among which somewhere down the line come:

n. Most handsome
n+1. The one with most beautiful wife.

Can somebody tell me if those last two are real choices? It seems very far-fetched. I did some Googling and came across this article/ebook that was admitedly speaking against madhabs, but here's the quote that seems to suggest it's from a real Hanafi source:




I don't know what "Rad Al Mokhtar" is. Can somebody say whether it/(he?) is reliable? Has anybody else heard of this before?

As far as I know, the point about the most beautiful wife is not the official position of the Hanafi Madhab and is only a solution deduced by the author of Radd al Muhtar, Allamah Ibn Abideen (rahmatullahialayh) himself. Moulana Amin Safdar Okarwi (rahmatullahialayh) wrote an answer to this Ahle Hadith (or more appropriately pseudo-Shia) objection in his Tajalliyaat e Safdar somewhere but it may take me a while to find it again seeing as how it is written 7 volumes. Off the top of my head, it said something like someone with a beautiful wife will not look at another's wife or sister, daughter, etc and therefore his eyes and heart will be purer than those whose wives may not ba as good looking. However, as I said before and as I believe Moulana Sahib (rahmatullahialayh) himself mentioned, this is not the official position of the Hanafi Madhab due to the obvious weaknesses in it.

Funny how pseudo-Shias are quick to criticize rare opinions in the Hanafi Madhab but when the same is said of their own Scholars, they quickly assert that they are not the official positions of the psedo-Shia and run off.

[True Life]

someone with a beautiful wife will not look at another's wife or sister, daughter, etc and therefore his eyes and heart will be purer than those whose wives may not ba as good looking.

I don't know about it's position in Fiqh, but I read or was told the same wisdom about this. That the person with a beautiful wife will more likely protect his gazes and by virtue of that have a cleaner heart and be closer to Allah.

[ENIGMA]

I can understand the wisdom behind it, but the means that would be used to judge who has the most beautiful wife is surely not appropriate?

How exactly would people go about it, if it ever came down to choosing based on the prettiest wife?

Would the wives of the nominees be lined up and the people asked to vote on who has the most beautiful one?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

That got me laughing!!!

Its like xfactor and miss world rolled into one


LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[umar_italy]

I can understand the wisdom behind it, but the means that would be used to judge who has the most beautiful wife is surely not appropriate?

How exactly would people go about it, if it ever came down to choosing based on the prettiest wife?

Would the wives of the nominees be lined up and the people asked to vote on who has the most beautiful one?

Traditionally in both a village or a city everyone know about people around him, and if Fulan get married with Fulana, everybody knows them since they were young children, and especially women-folk know her look and qualities and defects, and voices spread on..

It was easy to know who was deemed as the most beatiful girl of the city, even if she wore niqab, just for her fame and the stories the women-folk discussed in their families and so on.

A traditional city is not about not-interacting hermetically sealed compartments, but a true community with a lot of interchange among the different social classes, families, genders, ages..

They were communities, unlike the individualist societies we have today.. Anybody know about Tonnies? ;-)

[rqsnnt]

Hello Brother

Issue is "Choosing an imam "

First let us see what the prophet sallellahu Alaihiwasallam says
about selecting the Imam. Narrated Abu Masud Al-Ansari, Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him)said: The one who is most versed in Allah's Book should act as Imam for the people, but if they are equally versed in reciting it, then the one who has most knowledge regarding Sunnah; if they are equal regarding the Sunnah, then the earliest one to emigrate; if they emigrated at the same time, then the earliest one to embrace Islam. No man must lead another in prayer where (the latter) has authority, or sit in his place of honor in his house, without his permission. Ashajj in his narration used the word "age" in place of "Islam" (Sahih Muslim; Kitab –Salat: 1420).

Sorry for my bad english

May Allah help us

[abuhajira]

Hello Brother

Issue is "Choosing an imam "

First let us see what the prophet sallellahu Alaihiwasallam says
about selecting the Imam. Narrated Abu Masud Al-Ansari, Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him)said: The one who is most versed in Allah's Book should act as Imam for the people, but if they are equally versed in reciting it, then the one who has most knowledge regarding Sunnah; if they are equal regarding the Sunnah, then the earliest one to emigrate; if they emigrated at the same time, then the earliest one to embrace Islam. No man must lead another in prayer where (the latter) has authority, or sit in his place of honor in his house, without his permission. Ashajj in his narration used the word "age" in place of "Islam" (Sahih Muslim; Kitab –Salat: 1420).

Sorry for my bad english

May Allah help us

No sheikhuna, the question posed was specific about a particular condition, being a hanafi view or not.

[umar_italy]

Hello Brother

What about "asSalamu 'alaykum"?...