Point of differences between Mufti Zar Wali and Mufti Taqi Usmani

[Abu_Bilal]

Also, I highly doubt that Hazrat Mufti Zar Wali Khan saheb db goes around criticizing people because he is jealous or has nothing better to do.

Assalam Alaikum.

Unfortunately, you (and many other sincere and honest brothers here) are not fully aware of the ground realities.

The last one year was a very dark and gloomy period for deobandi ulema. And it is sad to say that Mufti Zar Wali Khan (RA) was the person who originated it. I know that if i become more explicit, it would create a stir and an uproar.

I respect Mufti Sahab immensely. But what he did in the Islamic Banking row, has really disturbed me and thousands of other talib-ilms and ulemas all through out Pakistan.

I also fully agree that Maulana Tariq Jameel should refrain from quoting such false hadeeths, and i am not advocating on Maulana Tariq Jameel's behalf. However it seems that people have a loaded gun, which is always aimed at Maulana Tariq Jameel. As soon as he does something wrong, he is shot!

[KeepTheGazeDown]

Assalam Alaikum.

Unfortunately, you (and many other sincere and honest brothers here) are not fully aware of the ground realities.

The last one year was a very dark and gloomy period for deobandi ulema. And it is sad to say that Mufti Zar Wali Khan (RA) was the person who originated it. I know that if i become more explicit, it would create a stir and an uproar.

I respect Mufti Sahab immensely. But what he did in the Islamic Banking row, has really disturbed me and thousands of other talib-ilms and ulemas all through out Pakistan.

I also fully agree that Maulana Tariq Jameel should refrain from quoting such false hadeeths, and i am not advocating on Maulana Tariq Jameel's behalf. However it seems that people have a loaded gun, which is always aimed at Maulana Tariq Jameel. As soon as he does something wrong, he is shot!

Your attitude for a student is totally disgraceful. This is not the first time you have taken such a tone on ulema. Understand one thing clearly, if a scholar is firm towards other aalims which you may disagree with but as a student with much more limited knowledge you should remain quiet. I am afraid if you carry on with such an attitude you will NEVER gain knowledge that will be of benefit.

Basically you talk too much for someone still studying.

About banking if students are confused so what?. Mufti Zar Wali Khan has the knowledge, hence if he sees something wrong he has all the right to have objections.

[Abu_Bilal]

This is not the first time you have taken such a tone on ulema. Understand one thing clearly, if a scholar is firm towards other aalims which you may disagree with but as a student with much more limited knowledge you should remain quiet.

Walikum-us-salam.

Where and when i taken such a tone on ulema? I think that i maintain respect for ulema from any maslak. I would be waiting for any evidence that you may present for your accusation.

And when did i say that I disagree with Mufti Zar Wali? He has thrown allegations over my teacher Mufti Taqi Usmani. And there is hue and cry through out Pakistan. All the akabir ulema, who support Mufti Taqi Usmani have clearly come out against Mufti Zar Wali Khan Sahab.

I am afraid if you carry on with such an attitude you will NEVER gain knowledge that will be of benefit.

It is a habit of some people on this forum to put words in other's mouth. I don't think i disrespected Mufti Sahab. Infact i said that i respect him and his knowledge immensely.

Basically you talk too much for someone still studying.

JazakAllah for that. I try to bring proof for whatever i say, from the akabireen ulema and my teachers. I am a Naqil (a person who receives and forwards). And i would always remain a talib ilm, and i would always remain in the footsteps of ulema.

About banking if students are confused so what?. Mufti Zar Wali Khan has the knowledge, hence if he sees something wrong he has all the right to have objections.

Mufti Zar Wali Khan has insulted Mufti Taqi Usmani and Mufti Rafi Usmani in public! Do you want to have a look at the letter that Maulana Saleemullah Khan sent to Mufti Taqi Usmani? And also do you want to have a look at the reply by Mufti Taqi Usmani?

Also, have you heard the bayans of Mufti Zar Wali Khan where he has disgraced the Usmani brothers and condemned them in public?

Do you also know about the anger that is present in the students of Darul Uloom Karachi?

At the end of the day, what do you know?

I am really amazed that you accuse me of disrespect towards ulema, when you don't know the other side of the story.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...t=44603&page=6

Read posts 53 and 54 of the above link, and see my discussion with Mufti Hussain Sahab.

[KeepTheGazeDown]

Walikum-us-salam.

Where and when i taken such a tone on ulema? I think that i maintain respect for ulema from any maslak. I would be waiting for any evidence that you may present for your accusation.

And when did i say that I disagree with Mufti Zar Wali? He has thrown allegations over my teacher Mufti Taqi Usmani. And there is hue and cry through out Pakistan. All the akabir ulema, who support Mufti Taqi Usmani have clearly come out against Mufti Zar Wali Khan Sahab.



It is a habit of some people on this forum to put words in other's mouth. I don't think i disrespected Mufti Sahab. Infact i said that i respect him and his knowledge immensely.



JazakAllah for that. I try to bring proof for whatever i say, from the akabireen ulema and my teachers. I am a Naqil (a person who receives and forwards). And i would always remain a talib ilm, and i would always remain in the footsteps of ulema.



Mufti Zar Wali Khan has insulted Mufti Taqi Usmani and Mufti Rafi Usmani in public! Do you want to have a look at the letter that Maulana Saleemullah Khan sent to Mufti Taqi Usmani? And also do you want to have a look at the reply by Mufti Taqi Usmani?

Also, have you heard the bayans of Mufti Zar Wali Khan where he has disgraced the Usmani brothers and condemned them in public?

Do you also know about the hatred that is present in the students of Darul Uloom Karachi for Mufti Zar Wali Khan?

At the end of the day, what do you know?

I am really amazed that you accuse me of disrespect towards ulema, when you don't know the other side of the story.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...t=44603&page=6

Read posts 53 and 54 of the above link, and see my discussion with Mufti Hussain Sahab.

It seems you just dont read posts. I told you in the post if you disagree with a scholar you as a student should remain QUIET. The scholars should sort out their differences, now if scholars have refuted Mufti Zar Wali Khan as a student you need to be careful with your comments. Mentioning that a scholars view (who is well grounded in knowledge) shouldnt be taken seriously if not disrespectul than I guess standards have gone down. On top of it again you mention hatred of students for the respected Mufti, Astagfirullah. Instead of keeping your peace you keep on uttering statments like these as i told you will have no benefit. You carry with this all your work will be a waste.

As for proof, you seem to have forgotten the time when you made a bold statement which was deleted and Mufti Husain Saheb actually reprimanded you for it. Hence, I do not need to produce no proof.

[Abu_Bilal]

I told you in the post if you disagree with a scholar you as a student should remain QUIET. The scholars should sort out their differences, now if scholars have refuted Mufti Zar Wali Khan as a student you need to be careful with your comments.

Walikum-us-salam.

Shouldn't the same thing also apply to other people, who talk bad about Maulana Tariq Jameel Sahab? Shouldn't they also leave it out to the scholars to settle their differences?

And i am very careful about my comments. I have had the honor of sitting in the class of Mufti Zar Wali Khan. I also know him very well. And the students of Darul Uloom Karachi told the students of Jamia Ahsan ul Uloom, that their teachers should be respected.

[KeepTheGazeDown]

Walikum-us-salam.

Shouldn't the same thing also apply to other people, who talk bad about Maulana Tariq Jameel Sahab? Shouldn't they also leave it out to the scholars to settle their differences?

And i am very careful about my comments. I have had the honor of sitting in the class of Mufti Zar Wali Khan. I also know him very well. And the students of Darul Uloom Karachi told the students of Jamia Ahsan ul Uloom, that their teachers should be respected.

Obviously anyone talkiing badly about Maulana Tariq Jameel is bad. However, the reason it may appear as if I am picking on you is firstly because I have read from your posts the zeal of knowledge you have, hence my comments. Secondly, you are a student gaining deeni knowledge that is why I told you. Thridly, If you do become a scholar, you will get to know differences are very common and we should learn to deal with it in the appropriate manner and in particuar how to deal with comments of scholars who are more senior than us.

For someone who is not a scholar, for them to criticise Maulana Tariq Jameel holds no weight whatsoever. Hence, the comments of people without such knowledge are based on opinion and if i were to reply to every such comment would I get time for useful more benficial work?.

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

I have heard Mufti Zar Wali Khan praising Mufti Muhammad Taqi Usmani on many occasions. He has recommended his books as well. When asked about good books on taqlid, he replied that the book by Mufti Taqi Usmani and Allamah Sarfaraz Khan Safdar (may Allah have mercy on him).

As far as the issue of Islamic Banking, then jamhur of Ulama Deoband disagree with Dar al-Ulum Karachi on this matter and Mufti Zar Wali Khan is not alone in this.

Mufti Zar Wali Khan himself mentions that some people find my attitude harsh but in reality many of the Ulama have gone soft. That is why people are not used to this tone and they might find it harsh.

[Ansari]

Assalam Alaikum.
I respect Mufti Sahab immensely. But what he did in the Islamic Banking row, has really disturbed me and thousands of other talib-ilms and ulemas all through out Pakistan.
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Mufti Zar Wali Khan has insulted Mufti Taqi Usmani and Mufti Rafi Usmani in public! Do you want to have a look at the letter that Maulana Saleemullah Khan sent to Mufti Taqi Usmani? And also do you want to have a look at the reply by Mufti Taqi Usmani?

Also, have you heard the bayans of Mufti Zar Wali Khan where he has disgraced the Usmani brothers and condemned them in public?

Do you also know about the hatred that is present in the students of Darul Uloom Karachi for Mufti Zar Wali Khan?

Brother, why are you exaggerating? Mufti Zarwali is not alone when it comes to the matter of Islamic banking. Mufti Taqi's own teacher Mawlana Saleemullah Khan disagreed as well. Moreover, it was Mawlana Saleemullah Khan who invited Mufti Zarwali in this gathering of these few Muftis including Mufti Taqi Usmani.

You can view the list of Ulama who have signed the document against Mufti Taqi Usmani here: http://banuri.edu.pk/node/419

Also, regardless of the harsh attitude of Mufti Zarwali, he has still immense respect for Mufti Taqi Usmani. I can say I have listened to most of the bayaans by Mufti Zarwali, including his dawra tafsir of the past years, the shabe jum'a bayan and jum'a bayans. Numerous times he has mentioned Mufti Taqi Usmani with respect and recommended his books, and when the Fatwa against Islamic banking came out, he introduced him with very lofty titles. He only disagreed on this matter and is vehemently against it, which is his right.

[Saad]

Hm.. sounds a little like Moulana A.S. Desai Saheb of South Africa. he is very knowledgeable, yet his words usually come off rather bitter.

Assalam o alaykum,

I think once you start listening to Mufti Zar Wali Khan, you most likely will change your opinion. He is no way like the Majlis. There is a huge difference between Mufti Zar Wali Khan and the Majlis. He has never insulted any proper scholar.

Please, listen to him for few months and then compare the two.

http://www.ahsanululoom.net/

[KeepTheGazeDown]

Assalam o alaykum,

I think once you start listening to Mufti Zar Wali Khan, you most likely will change your opinion. He is no way like the Majlis. There is a huge difference between Mufti Zar Wali Khan and the Majlis. He has never insulted any proper scholar.

Please, listen to him for few months and then compare the two.

http://www.ahsanululoom.net/

The tafseer links are not working for me. Any solution?