Shaykh Ashraf Ali Thanwi and Shaykh Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi

[Abu Zayd al-Atharee]

From the book 'Adab aur Ikhtilaaf-e-Rai' - Respect and Differences of Opinion, being a rendering of a speech delivered by the vice principal of Dar-ul-Uloom Deoband, Shaykh Muhammad Tayyib:

Shaykh Ashraf Ali Thanwi (rahimahullah) and Shaykh Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi (rahimahullah)

I have witnessed the fact that Shaykh Ashraf Ali Thanwi (rahimahullah) differed on numerous subjects from Shaykh Amad Raza Khan Barelwi (rahimahullah). Their differences covered the topics of Qiyaam, Urs, Meelad etc. But in spite of this, whenever his name happened to be mentioned in a Majlis (gathering), he used to say, "Moulana Ahmad Raza Khan Sahib."

On one occasion an individual sitting in the Majlis mentioned his name without adding the title Moulana to his name saying, "Ahmad Raza Khan." Shaykh Thanwi (rahimahullah) became angry and scolded him saying, "He is an Alim after all in spite of the fact that there are differences of opinion between us, you are disrespecting the position he has been granted. How can this be correct? Differences of opinion is another matter altogether. It is a seperate issue that he considers me to be upon error pertaining to certain issues. What is the meaning of such condescension, such disrespect for him?"
Shaykh Ashraf Ali Thanwi (rahimahullah) was among the Ahl-ul-ilm, the people of knowledge. If and when someone's name occurred he used to consider respect for that person to be necessary. Even if it was a person who bore absolute enmity towards him, he never allowed respect to leave his side.

[kunnoori]

They were Great Alims.Unfortunately, some of those from this generation, in their jazbat have been slinging mud at each other, and have made a mockery of themselves.

I had given a link where instances have been given on behalf of both sides, but that thread was unfortunately removed for reasons other than pertaining to my post. Many have downloaded the speech so they did find it interesting I suppose. Heres the link once again...

http://www.archive.org/details/Jamaa...amadanNo.3_791

[xs11ax]

did moulana raza agree with the common present day brailwi that moulana asraf ali thanvi (ra) is out of the fold of islam?

[abuhajira]

did moulana raza agree with the common present day brailwi that moulana asraf ali thanvi (ra) is out of the fold of islam?

Yes, Maulana Ahmed Raza Saheb did make takfeer of Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi r.a (along with other akabir of deoband). It can be seen in hussam al haramayn

[Hamood]

did moulana raza agree with the common present day brailwi that moulana asraf ali thanvi (ra) is out of the fold of islam?

I guess you mean do the present day Barelwi agree with him? Yes they do. I've seen them and in fact even met some of their scholars who hold this opinion.

Ahmad Rida Khan had a pretty harsh temper and used un-scholarly and foul language against some great 'ulama. I haven't read his books but I've read passages from his fatwas of kufr quoted in a few books. It's shocking stuff and it's truly amazing to see the adab and cool mindedness of the likes of Hakim al-Ummah even after his fellow 'ulama were called names and he himself was declared a kafir by this man.

[xs11ax]

for what reason have the made takfeer on Hazrat (ra)?

[Saad]

Ahmad Rida Khan had a pretty harsh temper and used un-scholarly and foul language against some great 'ulama.

Assalam o alaykum,

Few examples of Khan sahib's foul language.

"The works of the Deobandi's are more unclean than the various works of the Hindu's. The doubt about the heresy of Ashraf Ali Deobandi and suspicion about his punishment is also unbelief. To cleanse the impurity with the papers of the works produced by the Deobandi's is not lawful, not because of the respect for their books, but because of the reverence of the letters with which they have been written." (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Fatawa Ridwiyya, 2/136)

"A woman is capable of committing fornication. Then according to the opinion of your leader and teacher, it is necessary that your God too should be capable of committing fornication - otherwise the prostitutes of the brothers of the Deobandi's would laugh at Him and say: 'How do you claim for Godhead? You are not capable of doing which even we can do?' This naturally implies that your God must possess a female sexual organ - otherwise where will be the sexual intercourse?" (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Subhan al-Subbuh. P. 142)

"Barahin-e-Qati'a, the work of Gangohi, is DIRTIER THAN URINE, and full of unbelief. If anyone does not believe this (statement) is an atheist!" (Subhan as-Subbuh, p. 134)

http://web.archive.org/web/200211281...af.tripod.com/

[Ameer H]

Ahmad Rida Khan had a pretty harsh temper and used un-scholarly and foul language against some great 'ulama. I haven't read his books but I've read passages from his fatwas of kufr quoted in a few books. It's shocking stuff and it's truly amazing to see the adab and cool mindedness of the likes of Hakim al-Ummah even after his fellow 'ulama were called names and he himself was declared a kafir by this man.

He had a harsh temper against those who disrepected The Prophet Peace Be Upon Him. The deobandis and wahhabis were scared of him and now say he made stuff up, he used to kill them all over in debates.

[sudoku]

He had a harsh temper against those who disrepected The Prophet Peace Be Upon Him. The deobandis and wahhabis were scared of him and now say he made stuff up, he used to kill them all over in debates.

Please bring proof with your claims.

[Saad]

The deobandis and wahhabis were scared of him and now say he made stuff up, he used to kill them all over in debates.

Kill them in debates? Can you tell me when did Khan sahib ever debated with Deobandi scholars? Khan sahib was challenged by Mawlana Sayyid Murtaza Hassan Chandpuri, khalifa of Hakim al-Ummah Mawlana Thanwi, to debate in his home town but Khan sahib never had the courage to face him. Get your fact straight.