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    Question New Darul uloom Deoband fatwa on Moon sighting explanation needed?

    Asalamualaikum

    Does the following Fatwa of Darul uloom Deoband given to Molvi Yaqoob Miftahi of Hizbul ulama justify following Saudi Arabia for Ramadhan & Eid?

    English translation of the Darul uloom Deoband Fatwa taken from the book "The Shariah Moon sighting salat times & astronomical facts"pg 25

    Having studied the solar and lunar calendar as well as the causes
    for changes in them and thereafter repeatedly studying the
    Metone Jewish and Christian new-moon theory it has been
    concluded that such calculations of astronomy cannot be used as
    proof in Shari’ah and they cannot be used as a guide as well. The
    rulings of Shari’ah are based on clear-cut and definite principles
    whereas the hypothetical new-moon calculations are not definite
    thus no ruling of Shari’ah will be based on it.

    And Allah Ta’aala Knows Best
    (Head of Darul Ifta)
    (Mufti) Habeebur Rahman
    Mufti Daarul Uloom Deoband
    17 Rabee’ul Awwal 1430
    Answer Confirmed as Correct
    (Mufti) Zainul Islam Qasmi (Vice)
    (Mufti) Mahmood Hasan Bulandshahri
    (Mufti) Waqaar Ali
    (Mufti) Fakhrul Islam


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    Default Re: New Darul uloom Deoband fatwa on Moon sighting explanation needed?



    No. It just says that you cannot follow pure calculations. There has to be sighting.



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    Default Re: New Darul uloom Deoband fatwa on Moon sighting explanation needed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saeed M View Post


    No. It just says that you cannot follow pure calculations. There has to be sighting.


    Exactly!!

    why can't people get it into their heads that the calculations are used as a guide as to when sighting would be possible. Sighting still takes place,but the calculations are used to determine when it would be theoretically possible to do so.

    not aimed at anyone,just a rant.

    I cannot believe that fatwa is used to justify to follow saudi. Wifaq have never claimed to use calculations only.
    Storms brewing.......................


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    Default Re: New Darul uloom Deoband fatwa on Moon sighting explanation needed?



    I think the Fatwa is ruling out the use of the Metone and Christian New-Moon methods and not calculations per se. It says that these particular methods cannot be used even as guides:


    Quote Originally Posted by Rasheed786 View Post
    Asalamualaikum

    Does the following Fatwa of Darul uloom Deoband given to Molvi Yaqoob Miftahi of Hizbul ulama justify following Saudi Arabia for Ramadhan & Eid?

    English translation of the Darul uloom Deoband Fatwa taken from the book "The Shariah Moon sighting salat times & astronomical facts"pg 25

    Having studied the solar and lunar calendar as well as the causes
    for changes in them and thereafter repeatedly studying the
    Metone Jewish and Christian new-moon theory it has been
    concluded that such calculations of astronomy cannot be used as
    proof in Shari’ah and they cannot be used as a guide as well. The
    rulings of Shari’ah are based on clear-cut and definite principles
    whereas the hypothetical new-moon calculations are not definite
    thus no ruling of Shari’ah will be based on it.

    And Allah Ta’aala Knows Best
    (Head of Darul Ifta)
    (Mufti) Habeebur Rahman
    Mufti Daarul Uloom Deoband
    17 Rabee’ul Awwal 1430
    Answer Confirmed as Correct
    (Mufti) Zainul Islam Qasmi (Vice)
    (Mufti) Mahmood Hasan Bulandshahri
    (Mufti) Waqaar Ali
    (Mufti) Fakhrul Islam
    "Whoever acts upon what he knows, Almighty Allah bestows upon him
    the knowledge of things not known to him"
    (Fazaa'il-e-A'maal, Virtues of the Holy Qur'an, Part 1, under Hadith 8)


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    Default Re: New Darul uloom Deoband fatwa on Moon sighting explanation needed?

    as posted on an old thread its ridiculous that the monthly tabloid still peddles such misleading propaganda when even the Saudi themselves use such data:-

    http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index...=2009081847079


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    Default Re: New Darul uloom Deoband fatwa on Moon sighting explanation needed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rasheed786 View Post
    Asalamualaikum

    Does the following Fatwa of Darul uloom Deoband given to Molvi Yaqoob Miftahi of Hizbul ulama justify following Saudi Arabia for Ramadhan & Eid?

    English translation of the Darul uloom Deoband Fatwa taken from the book "The Shariah Moon sighting salat times & astronomical facts"pg 25

    Having studied the solar and lunar calendar as well as the causes
    for changes in them and thereafter repeatedly studying the
    Metone Jewish and Christian new-moon theory it has been
    concluded that such calculations of astronomy cannot be used as
    proof in Shari’ah and they cannot be used as a guide as well. The
    rulings of Shari’ah are based on clear-cut and definite principles
    whereas the hypothetical new-moon calculations are not definite
    thus no ruling of Shari’ah will be based on it.

    And Allah Ta’aala Knows Best
    (Head of Darul Ifta)
    (Mufti) Habeebur Rahman
    Mufti Daarul Uloom Deoband
    17 Rabee’ul Awwal 1430
    Answer Confirmed as Correct
    (Mufti) Zainul Islam Qasmi (Vice)
    (Mufti) Mahmood Hasan Bulandshahri
    (Mufti) Waqaar Ali
    (Mufti) Fakhrul Islam
    Heres the question asked by Molvi Miftah to Darul uloom Deoband & above is the reply.

    Question:
    Dear Respected Mufti ...................................Esq,
    Assalaamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah wa Barakaatuh
    Please answer the following questions. It will be a great pleasure
    for us. Please answer the following questions. It will be a great
    pleasure for us.
    Can the new-moon theory of the Metone Jewish and Christian
    Lunar calendar be used in Shari’ah to prove or negate any sighting of the moon?
    Will it be acceptable to use such a theory or astronomy based
    calculations as a guide whereby it results in rejecting of the texts
    of Qur’aan and Sunnah? Please answer the questions. It will be a
    great pleasure for us. Hope you keeping well. Remember us in
    your virtuous Duas.
    Maulvi Ya`aqub Ahmed Miftahi
    G.Secratory HizbulUlamaUK & CMSC


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    Question Re: New Darul uloom Deoband fatwa on Moon sighting explanation needed?

    Does any one know the profile of Molvi Yaqoob Miftahi where he studied etc?


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    Default Re: New Darul uloom Deoband fatwa on Moon sighting explanation needed?

    he studied in jalalabad under maulana masehullah khan saheb...unfortunetely his views on moonsighting are incorrect....ilm wise he is nowhere near the giants of our country...im saying this whilst i live 10 mins away from him....the giants of our country like mufti umar saheb and maulana yaqub saheb have refuted him on many occasions....


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    Default Re: New Darul uloom Deoband fatwa on Moon sighting explanation needed?

    It really is a joke (bigger then Millwall being in the FA Cup final some years back) that indirect/direct shots are taken by The Tabloid Monthly Redtop Calender that Wifaq/Batley are misquided/wrong. Man Batley's own criteria has been signed off and amended by some of the most senior ulama we have:-

    http://www.imws.org.uk/online/store2...20Approved.pdf


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    Default Re: New Darul uloom Deoband fatwa on Moon sighting explanation needed?

    Allegations against our Akaabir by Hizb ul Ulama (Molvi Yaqoob Miftahi etc) answered by Wifaqul Ulama.
    http://www.wifaqululama.co.uk/articl...20answered.pdf


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