English speaking scholars in England amidst Non-English speaking audience..

[MinSid]

Masha-allah, I notice in England there are a lot of English speaking scholars amidst non-english speaking audience.

My question is how many of the scholars manage to give English talks while there are elder chachas that speak bengali or urdu. Because in US the masjids where its predominately Bengali or Urdu we hardly get English talks. Unless masha-Allah UK elders are more open minded..

please advise

[Colonel_Hardstone]

Masha-allah, I notice in England there are a lot of English speaking scholars amidst non-english speaking audience.

My question is how many of the scholars manage to give English talks while there are elder chachas that speak bengali or urdu. Because in US the masjids where its predominately Bengali or Urdu we hardly get English talks. Unless masha-Allah UK elders are more open minded..

please advise

Asslamo Allaikum,

US elders and people are most certainly more open minded having lived and experienced both sides.

[MinSid]

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[TheEqualizer]

Masha-allah, I notice in England there are a lot of English speaking scholars amidst non-english speaking audience.

My question is how many of the scholars manage to give English talks while there are elder chachas that speak bengali or urdu. Because in US the masjids where its predominately Bengali or Urdu we hardly get English talks. Unless masha-Allah UK elders are more open minded..

please advise

Brother its the same in the UK

Most the talks are in the language of the minorities that the mosque represents.

But as the generations are getting more entrenched, and younger, this is changing and English is more common.

Why dont you go to other mosques ? go to a few others in your neighbourhood, and arrange some talks yourself in English. Or get a brother to volunteer to translate the talks into English for a group of you, without interrupting the main speaker of course, for the benefit of English speakers

[Nomadic]

I think it is about balance. I think during public holiday, talks ought to be given in English and same should be done at alternate events.
It is generally the elders who regularly attend the masjed and they should not be excluded. I find often some youngstars insisting on all be carried out in English is a reflection of self obsessed culture. It is nothing to do with being open minded!! Odd a lot of the youngstars seems to understand bollywood films well! Also it doesn't beg well for a community that forgot the langauge of their parents. You don't see Frecnch losing their language but the arabs and desi with complex willfully forget!!
Allahualam

[Abu Zakir]

Learn urdu it is not difficult, I learn it by sitting through the talks and within 3/4 months everyday I understood the basics.

Masha-allah, I notice in England there are a lot of English speaking scholars amidst non-english speaking audience.

My question is how many of the scholars manage to give English talks while there are elder chachas that speak bengali or urdu. Because in US the masjids where its predominately Bengali or Urdu we hardly get English talks. Unless masha-Allah UK elders are more open minded..

please advise

[e-student]

shaikh Hanif luharvi haf from india was in 1 masjid in canada and same question asked by some english speaking ppl
why urdu speaker was invited?so masjid committee invited 2 speakers(urdu and english)but very few listeners were in englisg bayan,even only english speaking ppl sat only in urdu bayan

[waqasmahmahmood]

why does one need to learn urdu!! This is odd! I love urdu language and know it carrys more emotion, meaning then english but to insist on learning a lanague alien to the land and parents language smell of some sort of wierd complex.

brother chill

[Abu Zakir]

Urdu language in the UK is the language of the elite Muslims, it could easily become a European language. When Britain was invaded by the Normans, French became the language of the elites. I am not insisting they learn urdu, just recommending that they learn it it would be beneficial for all.

why does one need to learn urdu!! This is odd! I love urdu language and know it carrys more emotion, meaning then english but to insist on learning a lanague alien to the land and parents language smell of some sort of wierd complex.

[Abu Zakir]

Elite Muslims meaning the language of the ulama, all the good books are in Urdu. Language is important, English has become a low language 'globalized' into a pigin English. Higher thoughts are difficult to express in English and many words in English are corrupted with Christian ideas...for example saying charity in English and saying sadaqa have completely different feelings associated with them. Sadaqa is rich, charity is like giving your old clothes to a begger...I cannot explain it. Faith and eman are other words that cannot translate well.

I live in a different planet according Br. Abu Zakir according to his line of reasoning!
The pakis here can't even speak urdu - they speak punjabi and Jehalami mirpuri and most bangali here can't speak bangali but a village langue of shylet.. There is no elite here but new money people!
I think Rasuallah (SAW) asked people to speak properly!! This is not to say there is no place for dialect but keep it within your home and don't demand the rest of the country man to speak the village dialect. This is what most sylheti demands and now they think just because one speaks english, they are better then bangali speakers.