Subcontinent fatiha pronunciation

[faqir]

as-salamu alaikum sh. Husain / abu Hajira / others,

I've noticed our imam often recites

Şirāţa Al-Lazīna 'An`amta

instead of

Şirāţa Al-Ladhīna 'An`amta

Could you please comment on the validity of his and our prayer.

JazakumAllahu khayran.

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

There is a detailed discussion by 'Allamah Sarfaraz Khan Safdar (may Allah have mercy on him) in Tanqid Matim. It starts on p.23 of the book and p.34 of the file.

He touches this masala in even more detail in Itmam al-Burhan but this book is not available online at the moment.

[True Life]

Arabs pronounce it "dh", but Pakistanis say it's "z".
So, what is the correct pronounciation of the letter: "z" or "dh"?

[sudoku]

It's الذين, ie with a ذ.

http://www.quranicsciences.com/Noora...ormonid=422071

Click the letter ذ for it's pronunciation.

[faqir]

as-salamu `alaikum sa'ad

does the shaykh specifically deal with the verse i am referring to above in the document?

[sudoku]

as-salamu `alaikum sa'ad

does the shaykh specifically deal with the verse i am referring to above in the document?

Yes, please check the following link.

http://www.quranicsciences.com/Quran...1&lastayah=7#1

hope this helps!

edit: Use IE for this site


edit #2: just saw the sa'ad part.

[faqir]

`alaikum salam

err... i meant in saad's link of Tanqid Matim - but thanks anyway!

[abuhajira]

`alaikum salam

err... i meant in saad's link of Tanqid Matim - but thanks anyway!

The sheikh deals with change of letters while reciting in Salah. He starts the discussion under the "Dhua" (ض)being interchanged with "Za"(ظ or ز). and then continues to give example of Dhal (ذ)being changed with Zaa (ز) or Zua (ظ)

The book is in urdu.. you can get it read out and explained. You can also check the arabic excerpts he has give.

I remember once talking to Mufti Ebrahim Desai Saheb about this issue and he mentioned that there is a difference in understanding among the fuqaha, those who have close liking towards the field of tajweed are very stern on the issue, while those who are more inclined to usool and fiqh, tend to find leeway for those who try to correct themself but are unable to because of some reason.

My tajweed teacher (urdu speaking) was one of the stern ones, but he mentioned that what is required of the person is that he realizes this deficiency and make an effort to rectify it. As long as he does so, even if he takes years to master it, his Salah will be valid and not void of any Barakah.

As for the fiqhi understanding of it, the book seems detail enough. But nonetheless, i will get a better answer from my Qari br. in law.. Fatawa Rasheediya Pg 271 talks about pronouncing ض from makharij of ظ د , provided that he does not do so out of deliberation rather as a ma'zuri while trying to rectify.

[AbdullahbinAbdullah]

Arabs pronounce it "dh", but Pakistanis say it's "z".
So, what is the correct pronounciation of the letter: "z" or "dh"?

Bismillah

Sayyidi I don't know the fiqh of this but from the little I know of Tajweed (ref: Jazariyyah, almuhakhallas almufid fi al3lm altajweed):

Zay: Exit point: the tip of the tongue near the end (tip/cutting part) of the top incisors but not touching them (important)

Dhal: tip of the tongue touching the tip (cutting end) of top incisors .

Other than Makharij/ exit points the letters have Sifat/ characteristics. The only difference between the two letters (Zay and Dhal) is that Zay has Safir (Whisteling) which Dhal does not have. Traditionally whistling is mentioned as the sound of a certain bird but it is more closer to a hiss as one of my teachers said. And Allah Ta'ala knows best.

So to summarize the letters have two differences: Makhraj (Exit point) and one Characteristic.

[faqir]

The sheikh deals with change of letters while reciting in Salah. He starts the discussion under the "Dhua" (ض)being interchanged with "Za"(ظ or ز). and then continues to give example of Dhal (ذ)being changed with Zaa (ز) or Zua (ظ)

The book is in urdu.. you can get it read out and explained. You can also check the arabic excerpts he has give.

I remember once talking to Mufti Ebrahim Desai Saheb about this issue and he mentioned that there is a difference in understanding among the fuqaha, those who have close liking towards the field of tajweed are very stern on the issue, while those who are more inclined to usool and fiqh, tend to find leeway for those who try to correct themself but are unable to because of some reason.

My tajweed teacher (urdu speaking) was one of the stern ones, but he mentioned that what is required of the person is that he realizes this deficiency and make an effort to rectify it. As long as he does so, even if he takes years to master it, his Salah will be valid and not void of any Barakah.

As for the fiqhi understanding of it, the book seems detail enough. But nonetheless, i will get a better answer from my Qari br. in law.. Fatawa Rasheediya Pg 271 talks about pronouncing ض from makharij of ظ د , provided that he does not do so out of deliberation rather as a ma'zuri while trying to rectify.

as-salamu `alaikum sidi

please try to get an answer specific to the ayah I mentioned above in post 1. i'm not too worried about the daaliin / zaaliin issue as it is not relevant to our imam but it may be worth clarifying that in addition.