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    Default Re: Interesting... Ibn Arabi on the Mahdi

    Be Careful where you Take your Religion from.


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    Default Re: Interesting... Ibn Arabi on the Mahdi

    Assalam o alaykum,

    One can understand why would Shaykh ibn Arabi (may Allah have mercy on him) use harsh language against muqallids of 4 madhabs as he himself didn't follow any madhab.

    Shaykh's views are most likely based on kashf/ilham and not hujjah on others.
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    those of you who speak ill of Ibn Arabi, please be cautious..this man was a wali, a friend of Allah, and the proof of this is the gnosis found in his works where only those who have tasted the highest levels of virtue will testify at the greatness of this man and his closeness with Allah, may Allah's peace and blessings be on the wali Ibn Arabi, and may Allah ever increase his ranks with Him.

    just like it is impossible for someone in a primary/elementary school to understand and comprehend the contents of college courses, likewise the awliya and those in the level of ihsan have a different language than those in the circles of eman, and islam.

    As for what Ibn Arabi has said of Imam Mahdi, there is nothing wrong in what he has stated in reference to the schools of thought and can be taken from different angles..also what he has mentioned of other details are explicitly mentioned in the ahadeeth, and also has been seen in the visions/kawashif of the awliya..

    With the issue of the schools of fiqh, there are two matters that should be taken into account, first the usool wa maqasid ( or principles/fundamentals of ruling derivation, and the goals of those rulings), and the tafseel aw furuu ( or the details of the rulings) which depends on the usools wa maqasid..

    according to all the four schools, if a person doesnot have sufficient knowledge or the usool wa maqasid and furuu' then he/she has to be in taqleed of a scholar in the school that has qualified knowledge of these two aspects.

    However if there a scholar who has the knowledge credentials both in the usool wa maqasid as well as in the furuu' then he is permitted leniancy to pursue a different furu while keeping with the usool/maqasid of his school, based on the requirements of the time ,place and age.

    For this reason we find Imam Malik's views different from that of his primary student Ibn al-Qasim, although the latter adhered to the principles of his teacher, Imam Malik, and regarded himself a Maliki... and the same is true for Qadhi Abu Yusuf and Ashybani, in relation to their teacher Imam Abu Hanifa..

    what Ibn Arabi mentioned could perhaps mean of those people who inspite of their vast knowledge, and understanding of the maqasid, furu, and usool of their school of thoughts, yet perhaps blindly adopt furu/detail rulings of a past scholar/source,perhaps out of bias, that does not fit in their current time,age, situation nor does it address their present issues, and which perhaps leads to corruption and going against what those very usools/principles and maqasid/goals actually require and are meant for.


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    I don't think anyone whether he is a scholar or otherwise spoke ill of Ibn Arabi on the basis of his not being a muqallid, no.

    They spoke ill of him because of his views in 'aqida.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Evsu View Post
    I don't think anyone whether he is a scholar or otherwise spoke ill of Ibn Arabi on the basis of his not being a muqallid, no.

    They spoke ill of him because of his views in 'aqida.
    his views on aqeeda is totally on par with the Ashari aqeedah and this can be clearly evident from his blessed futuhat al makkiyya

    he was an advocate of both shariah and haqiqa and didnt see the two inseparable. there is a wonderful video in Arabic that speaks about the thought of Ibn Arabi for those who are interested to know further, please click here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN1Id...e=channel_page


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saad View Post
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    Shaykh's views are most likely based on kashf/ilham.
    ANd his(rh) hujjah is not according to shariah.


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    Default Re: Interesting... Ibn Arabi on the Mahdi

    What's interesting as well is that how we observe. We are a Ummah of thinking, not of blindfollowing of men. We need to be able to think using the deen, the Aqidah Islami as our foundation.

    If he said, this, it appears to be a statement about what he percieves to be the ulama and the Ummah at that time. Certainly blind following of the schools resulted in closing the door of ijtihad for the qualified which contributed to our downfall.

    It also seems to be his alleged comparison between the Muslim Ummah and the Bani Israel. The rabbis were the fiercest enemies of Isa (as) and despised his excellence and superiority over them eventhough they spent their lifetimes studying law whereas Isa (as) was a carpenter and was a messenger for only a few years. One can make comparisons today that we are following the ahlil kitab in many of their patterns.

    And Allah knows best.


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    Default Re: Interesting... Ibn Arabi on the Mahdi

    Is the ibn Al arabi being discussed the same as Ibn Al Arabi Ad darqawi?


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    Default Re: Interesting... Ibn Arabi on the Mahdi

    "Allah is everywhere and in everything thus Allah Is You"
    Wow
    Christians believe something of that sort.
    And WOW
    That is nothing. He said many other stranger things than that, and there were scholars who called him kaafir as well
    There were scholars who turned alcoholic. May Allah,subHana wa ta'ala, change his heart.The man might be under pressure. He might change, InshAllah.The scholars who called him a kaffir,astakfirullah, might have said it out of anger.

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    Default Re: Interesting... Ibn Arabi on the Mahdi

    Quote Originally Posted by Rasema View Post
    Wow
    Christians believe something of that sort.
    And WOW

    There were scholars who turned alcoholic. May Allah,subHana wa ta'ala, change his heart.The man might be under pressure. He might change, InshAllah.The scholars who called him a kaffir,astakfirullah, might have said it out of anger.

    Assalamu Alaikum


    Sister, Shaykh Ibn Arabi [RA] died in 638 AH.

    I humbly request the mods to lock this thread. The Deobandi Akabir had great respect for the Shaykh.
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