Barelwis, Shi’ahs, Shaykh Jailani & Ilm al-Ghayb

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

It is the well-accepted belief of Ahmad Rida Khan Barelwi & co that Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) has been given the knowledge of ma kana wama yakun (what was and what shall be). This belief of theirs was borrowed from Ithna Ash'ari Shi’ahs. Shi’ahs establish the knowledge of ma kana wama yakun for their 12 imams.

Barelwis also believe that the Prophets have knowledge of every leaf that falls, etc.

Shaykh 'Abd al-Qadir Jailani (may Allah have mercy on him) has listed many deviant beliefs of Shi’ahs in Ghuniyat al-Talibin as well as these two deviant beliefs of theirs.

Ahmad Rida Khan Barelwi writes,

“All the knowledge (makana wama yakun) from the very first day till the last day has been given…The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) knows in detail and thoroughly every tiny matter, every leaf that falls and every grain soiled in the darkness of earth and all that what has been mentioned (above) in not complete knowledge of Holy Prophet but only a tiny part from his knowledge...”

Scan from Ahmad Rida:

Shaykh 'Abd al-Qadir Jailani, while discussing deviant 'aqiad of Shi'ahs, writes in Ghuniyat al-Talibin,

“They all (Shi’ahs) believe that their imam has such knowledge that he is aware of all things of the past and future (ma kana wama yakun) whether related to this world or the religion, he knows every thing even the number of pebbles on the surface of the earth, drops of the rain and the number of the leaves of the trees...and majority of them declare those who fought Sayyidina Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) to be kafir and they believe in many other such things.”

Scan from Ghuniyat al-Talibin:

And it says in Shi’ah book Al-Kafi,

Chapter

"The Imams have knowledge of whatever occurred in the past and whatever will happen in the future (ma kana wama yakun), and nothing is concealed from them.”

Scan of Al-Kafi:

Now one can see the resemblance between the Shi'ah and Barelwi 'aqaid.

[Ahmad_shakeel]

same Coin, Different Sides

jazakALLAH khair bro

[Abu_Tamim]

Assalam o alaykum,

It is the well-accepted belief of Ahmad Rada Khan Barelwi & co that Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) has been given the knowledge of ma kana wama yakun (what was and what shall be). This belief of theirs was borrowed from Ithna Ashari Shi’as. Shi’as establish the knowledge of ma kana wama yakun for their 12 imams.

Barelwis also believe that the Prophets have knowledge of every leaf that falls, etc.

Shaykh Abd al-Qadir Jailani (may Allah have mercy on him) has listed many deviant beliefs of Shi’as in Ghuniyat al-Talibin as well as these two deviant beliefs of theirs.

Ahmad Rada Khan Barelwi writes,

“All the knowledge (ma kana wama yakun) from the very first day till the last day has been given…The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) knows in detail and thoroughly every tiny matter, every leaf that falls and every grain soiled in the darkness of earth.”

Scan from Ahmad Rada:

Shaykh Abd al-Qadir Jailani, while discussing deviant 'aqiad of Shi'as, writes in Ghuniyat al-Talibin,

“They all (Shi’as) believe that their imam has such knowledge that he is aware of all things of the past and future (ma kana wama yakun) whether related to this world or the religion, he knows every thing even the number of pebbles on the surface of the earth, drops of the rain and the number of the leaves of the trees...and majority of them declare those who fought Sayyidina Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) to be kafir and they believe in many other such things.”

Scan from Ghuniyat al-Talibin:

And it says in Shi’a book Al-Kafi,

Chapter
"The Imams have knowledge of whatever occurred in the past and whatever will happen in the future (ma kana wama yakun), and nothing is concealed from them.”

Scan of Al-Kafi:

Now one can see the resemblance between the Shi'a and Barelwi 'aqaid.

Ghuluww' will be the death of Barelwism. Thankfully, Kashmir is almost totally Deobandi now. Soon Pak and Afghanistan too.

[a_muslim]

Assalamualaykum warahmatullahiwabarakatuh,

Thankfully, Kashmir is almost totally Deobandi now.

Is it?!?! I read somewhere recently, think it was on this forum that Kashmir is mostly barelwi, and i was quite surprised (and disappointed). Hope what u saying is true. Insha Allah, all barelwis will be guided soon.

Soon Pak and Afghanistan too.

And are there barelwis in Afghanistan too???

wassalam

[hope1]

Assalamualaykum warahmatullahiwabarakatuh,


Is it?!?! I read somewhere recently, think it was on this forum that Kashmir is mostly barelwi, and i was quite surprised (and disappointed). Hope what u saying is true. Insha Allah, all barelwis will be guided soon.



And are there barelwis in Afghanistan too???

wassalam

Assalamu alaikum,

Berelwi leaning Afghans exist who ask dua from those who passed away fighting against the soviets.

Also I heard from Shaykh Ahmad Ali (who is Kashmiri), that Kashmir is almost 50-50 but more and more people are becoming Deobandis. So if it is more than 50% then it is a correct claim.

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

One will find those holding similar to Barelwi 'aqiad even outside the subcontinent when they might have never heard of Barelwis. In other words, Barelwis are only restricted to the sub-continent while Ahl al-Bidah can be found even outside of the subcontinent.

[dr76]

Ghuluww' will be the death of Barelwism. Thankfully, Kashmir is almost totally Deobandi now. Soon Pak and Afghanistan too.

Assalam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaat..

Kashmir still has many barelwi pockets like hazrat bal.. charar e sharif and many other areas.. also has areas where there is jamaat e Islami and salafi influence.. as told to me by a kashmiri..

wa assalam..

[TripolySunni]

This and Many Other Concepts Of Ahel el bida'a in that Region come from Pre-Islamic beliefs So both them and the twelvers got it from indian and Persian religions who came before islam, Such as Knowing the future/Past or like "The Right of Divine Kings" which is related to certain Pure bloodlines whom God Chose to rule over others, Or the Beliefs of Infallibility(Masked Dictatorship) This is all Pre-Islamic Religions and some Indians and Persians still hold these beliefs in Fact in some Indian lands if you run against certain bloodlines in the elections you risk being killed.

[Ahmad_shakeel]

This and Many Other Concepts Of Ahel el bida'a in that Region come from Pre-Islamic beliefs So both them and the twelvers got it from indian and Persian religions who came before islam, Such as Knowing the future/Past or like "The Right of Divine Kings" which is related to certain Pure bloodlines whom God Chose to rule over others, Or the Beliefs of Infallibility(Masked Dictatorship) This is all Pre-Islamic Religions and some Indians and Persians still hold these beliefs .

yes, brother.

this is so tru...all this is done in the name of love but these people are far away from the tru teachngs

[ibn Mikael]

Doesn't this have some truth in it though? I remember hearing a hadith along the lines of the Prophet being given knowledge of all things and the Prophet asked Umar :ra: if there was anything he wanted to know from the Prophet ; and Umar :ra: responded by saying he was secure with Islam as his religion.