Kind Attention: Br. Saad a.k.a KhanBaba

[NeednoName]

Assalaam'aaleykum!

KhanBaba Sahab, I saw you debating with a brother called Aamir Ibrahim on Deoband.org on the topic of Istigatha [Here is the debate}. I don't know the end result of that debate because bhai Aamir never returned to the debate accepting his defeat. And nor any claim was made from your side to have won the debate. But the fact that he left the debate in between is enough for us to judge the winner.


Anyway, I appreciate you for all your efforts for propagating the haq thourgh your vast knowledge. Masha'Allah!

But I would like to share with you something very important. The very same Brov has been receiving lots of appreciation by huge number of novices on a social forum called Orkut. On the very same website he has openly challenged any Deobandi for Ilmi discussion on the aqaid of Ulema-e-Deoband. This post has an image attached to it, where he can be seen challenging Deobandis [who are well versed] for Discussion.

I would request you or any other knowledgeable brother to accept the challenge and defend the glory of our 'Ulema.

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[Ahmad_shakeel]

saalam

hahahaha he is not challenging us he is proving himself a brelvi ,,,, bhai jaan you dont need to worry about their chellenge brelvis only give challenge they dont debate ,,,, if that brelvi debates in urdu tell him to come on haqforum or here ,,, our brothers now a days dont use orkut ,,, there use to be alot of stuff on orkut but now every one disappeard i heard pakistani agencies arrested some brothers of orkut ,,, bcoz these guys had jihadi type pictures on their profile pictures ,,, so i think its bcoz of that too

also br. khanbaba/saad don't use orkurt..i dont know if any deobandis do
it is same beralwi accusations that our scholars have replied..ages ago..

repetition..over and over

[sudoku]

@ br NeednoName- Could you provide a link?

[NeednoName]

@ br NeednoName- Could you provide a link?

Waaleykum'Assalaam!

This is what he had posted :

Ambethvi uses a chainless report
Exceptional work done by brother Waseem, you have shown original book references with scan proofs and indeed those disrespectful statements are present in Deobandi literature.

This discussion should only take place between people who are well versed in deobandi literature, either Yusuf should come forward and prove that he has original books at disposal and he understands urdu well or he should accept that brother Waseem is doing a fine job ...stop using foul language Yusuf, the disrespectful words to Allah and his Prophet are unjustified and brother Waseem is right to refute it whereas you do not have any right to use foul language.

Here I have Baraheen e Qatiya in my hands Published by Deobandis themselves i.e. Dar ul Ishaat. On it's Page no 55 Ambethvi has used this following hadith:

Ambethvi said: [COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Sheikh Abdul Haq narrates that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: I do not even know what is behind the Wall[/COLOR] [ Baraheen e Qatiyah, Page No. 55]

I challenge all deobandis to prove this hadith, show me chain of this hadith, remember Ambethvi is claiming in this book that we need "QATI AND DEFINITE" proof in regards to Ilm ul Ghayb of Prophet (Peace be upon him) but surprisingly he himself uses a Mawdo and worthless report to justify his point.

After this Ambthvi says that Shaytan has vast knowledge and this is proven from Nass, where is the Nass for Prophet that someone tries to prove shirk?
AstaghfirUllah, look Ambethvi accepts nass for shaytan and does not call it shirk but in case of Prophet he rejects Nass and also calls it Shirk .. what a pseudo definition of shirk this is because Ala Hazrat nailed Ambetvi by saying that Shirk is same whether Isbaat is done for shaytan or someone else!

Yusuf or any deobandi do you accept the challenge of Ilmi discussion?

And here is the link to the thread:
http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#CommMsgs...79512635330117

[NeednoName]

saalam

hahahaha he is not challenging us he is proving himself a brelvi ,,,, bhai jaan you dont need to worry about their chellenge brelvis only give challenge they dont debate ,,,, if that brelvi debates in urdu tell him to come on haqforum or here ,,, our brothers now a days dont use orkut ,,, there use to be alot of stuff on orkut but now every one disappeard i heard pakistani agencies arrested some brothers of orkut ,,, bcoz these guys had jihadi type pictures on their profile pictures ,,, so i think its bcoz of that too

also br. khanbaba/saad don't use orkurt..i dont know if any deobandis do
it is same beralwi accusations that our scholars have replied..ages ago..

repetition..over and over

Waaleykum'Assalaam!

Bhai Shakeel Sahab, Why Shouldn't I be worrying about their challenges? Until and unless their challenges are not accepted, they would stand as a clear winner, no matter how much Baatil Aqaaid they are upon.

And why can't our brother go to Orkut to face them? Islam doesn't restrict us to Sunniforum only for the Deeni discussion/Debate. Does it? One just needs to sign up to a website, which hardly takes 2 minutes of one's time, I repeat, 2 minutes and you are in to the battlefield. It isn't too hard. Right?

[sudoku]

Hm it says there

This time I am closing this thread forever.any further posts will lead to a week ban inshahAllah.

Thread sealed and closed

Though to be honest, those people don't seem to really want to learn and change opinions... There was a quote there in response to one of your post.

So what, it is the matter that matters, and not the person or the book.

Barelwis seem to care more about Deobandis that Deobandis care about them! Haqq is haqq, no matter who seems to be the 'winner' and who does not. No one can change that fact, and those who Allah guides eventually realize this and come back to the proper path. One simply has to watch their debate videos and then cringe in embarassment at how people carry themselves. The 'aashiq' of Rasulullah still have to learn the manners of Rasulullah .

The fact that br Aamir did not reply in deoband.org shows something... maybe you can ask him that. The fact is once you get embroiled in these discussion, too much time gets spent behind them, even leading to leaving out daily amaals. (I speak for myself here.. and besides I am most definitely not knowledgable enough to counter their claims :-/)

[Ahmad_shakeel]

Waaleykum'Assalaam!

Bhai Shakeel Sahab, Why Shouldn't I be worrying about their challenges? Until and unless their challenges are not accepted, they would stand as a clear winner, no matter how much Baatil Aqaaid they are upon.

And why can't our brother go to Orkut to face them? Islam doesn't restrict us to Sunniforum only for the Deeni discussion/Debate. Does it? One just needs to sign up to a website, which hardly takes 2 minutes of one's time, I repeat, 2 minutes and you are in to the battlefield. It isn't too hard. Right?

bhai jaan we here do 50 different things ,,, we have to debate with qadiyanis , munkir e hadith ,, jamatul muslimeen guys etc ,,, we have to work on our sites our forums ,,, we can not go every where and find challenges ,,, its simple if he is giving challenges on orkut why dont you make posts showing every one how he run away from saad bhai ,,, i told you why brothers dont go on orkut ,,, if you have so much concern you should start answering him ,,, there is alot on internet now Alhumdulilah ,,, or you can ask that guy to come on haqforum.com and debate us there and lets see who wins ,,,, every body knows that doebandis dont use orkut now a days giving challenges on orkut ,,, so funny if this guy has so much guts why didnt he come here and gave us challenge ???? you see our brothers are banned from brelvi forums ,,, they write **** on their forums and when we answer they edit and delete our posts and there are so many examples ,,,, Alhumdulilah more and more people are becoming deobandi from brelvis ,,, so i dont worry about these challenges i recieve emails from people asking me to give them stuff against brelvis so they can answer them ,,,, and Alhumdulilah www.haqforum.com and www.ahlehaq.com are used by many people to debate brelvis and brelvi run away from those places ,,, and i have seen that ,,,

[abuhajira]

Bruv stop deflecting off the main point of my post and get on the topic that i am talking about.

If your are unable to comment on it than stop wasting your time.

The topic was about a response to the statement of Braheen Qatia which br. need no name has requested. Your post was about ..urm.. actually nothing..

So your first post itself is off topic. It was supposed to be simply deleted, but i though to clarify that its off topic. Any further offtopic posts will be deleted.

Also please read the rules before you start posting. That will help you in understanding why some post of yours was deleted without prior warning..

[abuhajira]

all offtopic posts have been deleted and will be deleted in future as well.

Now if someone has anything positive to post about the OP's issue.. please go ahead.

[maneatinglizard]

I read the "debate," and it was quite amusing how he first tried to sound diplomatic, claiming not to be Deobandi or Brelwi, and having respect for both, but, in his last post, he came out with what was truly in his heart, as he mocked Deobandis before leaving the discussion.