Websites of Shaykh Zulfiqar Ahmad's (db) khulafa'

[Abu Salma]

Aside for the offtopics, I have to say one thing about Sh. Zulfiqar and his mureed. aside from their excellent characters, They are the only few I have seen who have a complete generosity of departing religious knowledge in the way it should be. One example is the 2.5 Yr Course for women all FREE, unlike many of our prestigious Ulama who have so much to worry about worldly monetary gains that even their islamic material comes with a price.

Yes, subhan Allah. May Allah (Ta'ala) reward them!

[eTeacher]

Maulana,

Is there any point to your impulsive need to post your blood boils at the mistake of these khulafa here on SF? I sincerely ask this, because it wont solve the issue which cringes you. In my humble opinion, it would be more wise to contact them. The websites are given in the first page, I will also give you Sh. Zulfiqar's address in pakistan, so you can write him a personal letter with the complaints about his khulafa.

InshAllah, just in case, I will also give these posts to Maulana Ebrahim Mohammad Saheb (translator Arabic Tutor) as well who is also a khalifa of Sh. Zulfiqar so he can perhaps relay your message as well.

Assalamu Alaikum,

A few things....Can you please delete one of your posts. I guess because of a technical glitch, the same post has been put up twice.

I didn't notice you acknowledging those clear open mistakes. At a minimum, you could have written that yes....those mistakes need to be rectified.

Third thing....Like how I replied to brother hope1, why is there a need for you to start comparing one with others and elevating one by putting down others. If you had wanted to mention something good about a certain group of people, you could have done that but to elevate one group and try to debase another group is wrong.

Why must we resort to such tactics. In Tabligh, the actual Usool is that non-Ulama are not allowed to quote Quranic verses and Ahadith in Arabic. Though some wannabe scholar Tabligh folks ignore this rule.

Also, in your second post, you elevated a group of people and tried to bring down others even though I totally disagree with your point about charging and not charging and then you gave an example how one is better than that other because one is providing services for free including .pdf books.

Though I have no issues with copyright for a certain number of years, but could you tell me why Arabic Tutor is not free for download anymore on the Al-Inaam website. You state the Khulafa are offering such services for free and then you mention about Arabic Tutor and its author when that Arabic Tutor is not free. The following is what is written there in bold:

These books will not be available for further download.

I have no issues with someone selling their book which they have spent 100's of hours behind but if you want to make a point, please be consistent with it. Also, it looks a bit fishy that you have praised the author of Arabic Tutor in your second post. Are you sure you are not trying to get extra points in your exams with the teacher?

[Adeel bin Minhaj]

brother AbuHajira made a great suggestion and I suggest Maulana sahab, you should contact Hazratji in Pakistan, simply write him a letter.

Personally, I am the lowliest of low and wouldnt even know a mistake if it happened, so we are lucky to have an Alim such as Eteacher whom can listen and advise of/correct mistakes. I highly suggest you contact Hazratji and let him be aware.

Acknowledging the error is the first step, but doing something to rectify them should be next, and someone who is an Alim would be best for this task.

[not known]

Assalamu Alaikum,

A few things....Can you please delete one of your posts. I guess because of a technical glitch, the same post has been put up twice.

I didn't notice you acknowledging those clear open mistakes. At a minimum, you could have written that yes....those mistakes need to be rectified.

Third thing....Like how I replied to brother hope1, why is there a need for you to start comparing one with others and elevating one by putting down others. If you had wanted to mention something good about a certain group of people, you could have done that but to elevate one group and try to debase another group is wrong.

Why must we resort to such tactics. In Tabligh, the actual Usool is that non-Ulama are not allowed to quote Quranic verses and Ahadith in Arabic. Though some wannabe scholar Tabligh folks ignore this rule.

Also, in your second post, you elevated a group of people and tried to bring down others even though I totally disagree with your point about charging and not charging and then you gave an example how one is better than that other because one is providing services for free including .pdf books.

Though I have no issues with copyright for a certain number of years, but could you tell me why Arabic Tutor is not free for download anymore on the Al-Inaam website. You state the Khulafa are offering such services for free and then you mention about Arabic Tutor and its author when that Arabic Tutor is not free. The following is what is written there in bold:

These books will not be available for further download.

I have no issues with someone selling their book which they have spent 100's of hours behind but if you want to make a point, please be consistent with it. Also, it looks a bit fishy that you have praised the author of Arabic Tutor in your second post. Are you sure you are not trying to get extra points in your exams with the teacher?

*enters with a white flag*

as far as arabic tutor is concerned, brother abu hajira has different views to that of the people who have kept copy right on it

[abuhajira]

Assalamu Alaikum,

A few things....Can you please delete one of your posts. I guess because of a technical glitch, the same post has been put up twice.

Aww.. come on maulana, you are also a mod you could have done that..

I didn't notice you acknowledging those clear open mistakes. At a minimum, you could have written that yes....those mistakes need to be rectified.

a. I am not in position to tackle his mistakes..because my own recitation (in my own opinion) is not much better then many of those shuyukh. sorry maulana I am a pajee from paindu-stan with the same pakistani makharij. But that does not mean when ever I recite I do not try..
b. I did mention the mistakes in the other thread (sh. nazim one) because they were not mistakes rather skipping words in an ayah.

Third thing....Like how I replied to brother hope1, why is there a need for you to start comparing one with others and elevating one by putting down others. If you had wanted to mention something good about a certain group of people, you could have done that but to elevate one group and try to debase another group is wrong.

a. I have no idea what comparison are you talking about.
b. which group did I debase? Are you refering to some TJ thread from past? I am confused here.

Why must we resort to such tactics. In Tabligh, the actual Usool is that non-Ulama are not allowed to quote Quranic verses and Ahadith in Arabic. Though some wannabe scholar Tabligh folks ignore this rule.

Sorry again, I am not in tableegh Jamaat and neither are those Shuyukh. You cannot enforce your usool on them.

Also, in your second post, you elevated a group of people and tried to bring down others even though I totally disagree with your point about charging and not charging and then you gave an example how one is better than that other because one is providing services for free including .pdf books.

Okay allow me to speculate here because frankly I did not see any debasing. i think you are refering to the mention about "Ulama who have so much to worry about worldly monetary gains" in which case do you sanction the Ulama whose life and concern is to earn money and not about the maqsad of entering the field of da'wah ilallah?

Any Alim who demeans his religious obligations and seeks after worldly fame and pomp... do you really want me to give him the same "basing" as those who go days on end to do propagation of good for no gains in return. I specifically mention that the mureed of Sh. Zulfiqar "They are the only few I have seen who have a complete generosity "... Only few meaning that there are others too.. I know Mufti Ebrahim Desai Saheb who gives out free books, audios as well. I know Majlisul Ulama who have made each and every one of their publication copyright free.. I know of many other who do not worry about these things, so no I was not giving one group any extra credit. Its just that this thread was particularly about him, so I am giving him his due credit.

Though I have no issues with copyright for a certain number of years, but could you tell me why Arabic Tutor is not free for download anymore on the Al-Inaam website.

a. Yes I can tell you very straight up. Arabic Tutor is being published by darul Isha'at. If you know how darul isha'at and zam zam pub work, then you would know that they do not publish it for you, rather they purchase the book from you. So the copyright is NOT Maulana Ebrahim Saheb's rather its Darul Isha'at's copyright.

Al-inaam.com states clearly...

NOTE : Since The above 2 books (Arabic Tutor & Treasures of Arabic Morphology) are now under the copyrights of the respective publishers, we feel it morally correct to abide by these copyrights. These books will not be available for further download. All copyrights pertaining to the books belong to their publishing companies. Kindly buy the books from the Publisher directly. Jazak Allah.

This means that Maulana Ebrahim Saheb does not earn anything from the sale of the book. For that Maulana has to purchase his own book and re sell it.

b. If you have kept some track on the book, when alinaam was actually providing the pdf, some websites around the web starts hosting those pdf's. They are still there for free downloads. I dont know of any particular action that was taken against those websites.

I have no issues with someone selling their book which they have spent 100's of hours behind but if you want to make a point, please be consistent with it.

Those publication for which alinaam holds complete authority over, are all for free distribution. Those they do not have complete authority over, they cannot give out for free.

Also, it looks a bit fishy that you have praised the author of Arabic Tutor in your second post. Are you sure you are not trying to get extra points in your exams with the teacher?

hahaha maulana you crack me up, perhaps that was how your Uloom worked , but even with such a close ta'luq which I have with ALL of my teachers (for which I do not need to uplift them in any manner), they are still strict and upfront in their markings..



P.S The discussion is off topic now.. I will request Maulana Ebrahim Saheb to view this thread so that appropriate measures can be taken, even if you decide not to send a letter to Sh. Zulfiqar saheb.

[eTeacher]

Brother AbuHajira,

Jazakumullah for your comments. I don't feel there is any need to go back and forth over different issues. I don't have the time to continue arguing. I've made my point and my concerns should be passed on.

[eTeacher]

Sorry again, I am not in tableegh Jamaat and neither are those Shuyukh. You cannot enforce your usool on them.

Since the above quote directly deals with the issue brought up in this thread, I thought it would be important to discuss this.

It would have been good if you had at least acknowledged the importance of that Usool instead of dismissing that very important point of Islam. That Usool was made by scholars for the safety of the Quran and Hadith. It has nothing to do with Tabligh Usool. Scholars pointed out to the leaders of Tabligh about this issue and steps were taken to rectify it.

It does not matter what effort a person is doing, we all need to make sure that we do not make mistakes in quoting religious scripture.

At first, if a person is not a Hafidh and they are not scholars, it's best not to quote in Arabic. If a person feels that they must do it for Allah knows best what reasons, then they should make sure that they are not relying on their memory but rather, they should have it written out on paper. If not that, then have a Hafiz sit with you to correct your Quran mistakes. If not that, then at least once it's recorded, go over the recording and if you come across any mistakes, edit them out. We all make mistakes but steps should be taken to rectify it instead of putting it up online with so many mistakes. Some of those files have been up for years and I don't want to start dropping names and calling out people, but this is a very important issue and Tabligh dealt with it many years ago.

Tasawwuf Peers should implement the same rule as well. If I had Khalifahs , I would keep my out on them to make sure that they are not making such glaring obvious mistakes. If they did, I would point it out to them.

Whilst at it….Let me also point out that we all have scholars whom we love and whom we hold in high esteem. We all are affiliated with one Islamic group or another. If their mistake is ever pointed out, we should take a deep breath and ask ourselves, “Is the mistake that is pointed out true or not?” If it is not, then we explain to the person that it is a misunderstanding. If it is a mistake then we should be happy that the mistake was pointed out about our “Sheikh” or “Group” or any other affiliation we have. Then we should try our utmost to have that mistake rectified.

But what is not correct is when a mistake is pointed out about beloved scholar or group or whatever else we are attached with, we start getting defensive and try to bring down many others with us as well. What’s so hard about saying, “Yes. That’s wrong and it should be corrected.” No Sheikh or a religious group is infallible. We all make mistakes and when they are made and they are pointed out, it’s not the end of the world. Don’t go all crazy in trying to defend an obvious wrong. All those who are not attached to that Sheikh or that group can easily tell how biased we are if we are trying to defend an obvious wrong. It takes a man to realize that yes, that is a genuine mistake and it needs to be rectified. When we start thinking that our scholars and our groups are infallible and they are free from fault and blame and they are faultless like prophets, then that’s really wrong and that needs to be corrected.

Also, if you're going to put up something online for the whole world to read and listen to, then don't start complaining when people criticize it. If it's one the World Wide Web and then don't expect only praises.

When someone praises us, we get happy and when someone criticizes us....we get..... ?

That’s Tazkiyah 101

[hope1]

Since the above quote directly deals with the issue brought up in this thread, I thought it would be important to discuss this.

It would have been good if you had at least acknowledged the importance of that Usool instead of dismissing that very important point of Islam. That Usool was made by scholars for the safety of the Quran and Hadith. It has nothing to do with Tabligh Usool. Scholars pointed out to the leaders of Tabligh about this issue and steps were taken to rectify it.

It does not matter what effort a person is doing, we all need to make sure that we do not make mistakes in quoting religious scripture.

At first, if a person is not a Hafidh and they are not scholars, it's best not to quote in Arabic. If a person feels that they must do it for Allah knows best what reasons, then they should make sure that they are not relying on their memory but rather, they should have it written out on paper. If not that, then have a Hafiz sit with you to correct your Quran mistakes. If not that, then at least once it's recorded, go over the recording and if you come across any mistakes, edit them out. We all make mistakes but steps should be taken to rectify it instead of putting it up online with so many mistakes. Some of those files have been up for years and I don't want to start dropping names and calling out people, but this is a very important issue and Tabligh dealt with it many years ago.

Tasawwuf Peers should implement the same rule as well. If I had Khalifahs , I would keep my out on them to make sure that they are not making such glaring obvious mistakes. If they did, I would point it out to them.

Whilst at it….Let me also point out that we all have scholars whom we love and whom we hold in high esteem. We all are affiliated with one Islamic group or another. If their mistake is ever pointed out, we should take a deep breath and ask ourselves, “Is the mistake that is pointed out true or not?” If it is not, then we explain to the person that it is a misunderstanding. If it is a mistake then we should be happy that the mistake was pointed out about our “Sheikh” or “Group” or any other affiliation we have. Then we should try our utmost to have that mistake rectified.

But what is not correct is when a mistake is pointed out about beloved scholar or group or whatever else we are attached with, we start getting defensive and try to bring down many others with us as well. What’s so hard about saying, “Yes. That’s wrong and it should be corrected.” No Sheikh or a religious group is infallible. We all make mistakes and when they are made and they are pointed out, it’s not the end of the world. Don’t go all crazy in trying to defend an obvious wrong. All those who are not attached to that Sheikh or that group can easily tell how biased we are if we are trying to defend an obvious wrong. It takes a man to realize that yes, that is a genuine mistake and it needs to be rectified. When we start thinking that our scholars and our groups are infallible and they are free from fault and blame and they are faultless like prophets, then that’s really wrong and that needs to be corrected.

Also, if you're going to put up something online for the whole world to read and listen to, then don't start complaining when people criticize it. If it's one the World Wide Web and then don't expect only praises.

When someone praises us, we get happy and when someone criticizes us....we get..... ?

That’s Tazkiyah 101

Assalamu alaikum,

What Moulana is saying is correct. I am just wondering what would be the proper means and who would be the appropriate people to approach to rectify open sharia' violations and misconceptions by tablighi elders and tablighi people in general.

Also when ulema give fatwas when they are not muftis and go against mufta bihi opinion for no reason whatsoever - how should we counter these issues. Will it be permissible to start taking names of elders and and ulema and start pointing out their misconceptions and mistakes?

About you saying I do not have the ability to judge who is more wrong - you are correct. We do not know who is doing more wrong. But at least we can understand when they do some wrong and we only judge the outside. So I do have the ability to judge who is doing wrong on the outside. The inside is unknown and I will not compare. But it is our responsibility to judge the religious leaders of the community based on the outside so that we can judge who we decide to follow and who we decide not to follow.

[eTeacher]

Assalamu alaikum,
I am just wondering what would be the proper means and who would be the appropriate people to approach to rectify open sharia' violations and misconceptions by tablighi elders and tablighi people in general.

We've done that quite a lot here on SF. Tabligh has been rightly criticized heavily here but I don't see Tabligh followers going up in arms and denying the obvious. They don't go around threatening to leave SF or they don't try to bring down all other groups by saying...hey...they have mistakes as well...

Maybe because they've faced that in real life by doing Tabligh that they don't get all defensive and start denying the obvious.

You could also contact the local Shura and if not that, the leaders of that country and if not that, then send a letter to the headquarters in Nizamuddin, India. Or you could by pass all of them and send a letter directly to Nizamuddin.

Assalamu alaikum,

Also when ulema give fatwas when they are not muftis and go against mufta bihi opinion for no reason whatsoever - how should we counter these issues. Will it be permissible to start taking names of elders and and ulema and start pointing out their misconceptions and mistakes?

If those opinions are put forward here on SF, you can quote another scholar and prove that that Mufti's stance is against Mufta Bihi opinion. Maulana Husain Madani's stance on Tahajjud being against Mufta Bihi has been pointed out by many scholars. If that scholar has a habit of leaving Mufta Bihi opinions and they are a mistake Islamically as well and that view is not endorsed by scholars of other Madhabs as well, then such scholars should be pointed out so that people realize that scholar's mistakes.

I also share your frustrations about scholars not sticking to Mufta Bihi opinion.

If a scholar or a Mufti goes against a Mufta Bihi opinion, it does not necessarily mean that that scholar is not of that Madhab because he went against a Mufta Bihi opinion. He could be correct in all other issues of his Madhab.

Assalamu alaikum,
About you saying I do not have the ability to judge who is more wrong - you are correct. We do not know who is doing more wrong. But at least we can understand when they do some wrong and we only judge the outside. So I do have the ability to judge who is doing wrong on the outside. The inside is unknown and I will not compare. But it is our responsibility to judge the religious leaders of the community based on the outside so that we can judge who we decide to follow and who we decide not to follow.

You can only fully judge a person when you know how they spend their daily 24 hours life. You can not judge a few by minor interactions with them and then make a general statement about every single person of that group or by using words like 'so many' which would mean at least 25% of that group. Also, you can only compare one properly with the other when you have complete knowledge of both which I'm sure you don't have because that's usually impossible.

[Abu_Bilal]

Assalam Alaikum.

I am a tablighi and also bayt to Peer Zulfiqar Sahab. I love Peer Sahab and his work, however, i also fully agree with what Maulana Eteacher Sahab is saying.

I mean there is a big difference between "Kama Rabbayanee" and "Kama Yanbaghee". Having poor tajweed (poor understanding of makharij of huroof) is a different thing, and not reciting a verse correctly is another.

In every single bayan of Haji Abdul Wahab Sahab (ijtema, jor, markaz, etc) there is an aalim sitting next to him. Normally that aalim is Maulana Jameel Sahab or Maulana Nazr-ur-Rehman Sahab, both of whom are tablighi akaabir. And even at this age, when Haji Sahab has spent decades and decades amongst the ulema and in tableegh, he almost never recites any verse. He would always say like ulema say sunna hay keh Allah istaghfaar pasand kerta hay (we have heard from scholars, that Allah likes repenting). I mean this is a simple and straightforward sentence, but even then Haji Sahab would never ascribe it to himself.

And the khulafa of Peer Zulfiqar are heard all around the world. So this point should definitely be brought to their attention. If i goto Jhang, i may tell this to the buzurgs there too.

If a tablighi aalim (like Maulana Tariq Jameel) would have made such a mistake, i am sure that SF would have been flooded by threads, bashing Maulana Tariq Jameel Sahab.