The Shooting Meteor on the Deserving Liar - Mawlana Madani on Ahmad Rada

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

Shaykh al-Islam Mawlana Hussain Ahmad Madani (may Allah have mercy on him) wrote a book in refutation of Ahmad Rida Khan. He named this book,

Al-Shihab al-Thaqib ‘ala al-Mustariq al-Kadhib – The Shooting Meteor on the Deserving Liar (Ahmad Rida Khan).

This book can be downloaded here along with Ghayat al-Mamul of Mufti Sayyid Ahmad Barzanji al-Shaf'i in refutation of Ahmad Rida Khan and his ‘aqidah of 'ilm al-ghayb.

Below are few titles that Mawlana Madani has 'blessed' Ahmad Rida with in this book.

1. Mujaddid al-Tadhlil wa al-Takfir – A reviver in the field of deviance and anathematization (takfir).

2. In this book Mawlana Madani writes that, ‘teacher of Ahmad Rida was Iblis.’ Just like Iblis whispers in the hearts of some and spread rumors and lies, Iblis whispered in the heart of Ahmad Rida and the result was lies spread by Ahmad Rida against Deobandis. He also writes that Satan Iblis taught Ahmad Rida deviant beliefs.

3. Mawlana Madani writes that Ahmad Rida is similar to Mirza Qadiani in the sense that both were so-called claimants of mujaddids of this century.

4. Mawlana Madani refers to Ahmad Rida as ‘Dajjal Barelwi’ who has no regard for Qur’an and Sunnah and is hell-bent on distortion to prove his ‘aqaid.

5. He writes that Ahmad Rida is worthy of Fire of Jahannam.

6. He writes that Ahmad Rida is guilty of sabotaging Din Islam in the eyes of ‘ulama of Madina.

7. Mawlana Madani writes that Ahmad Rada exaggerated, as the Christians did with Sayyiduna Masih, in the praise of Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace).

8. Mawlana Madani writes, ‘from this we know that ‘aqaid and sayings of Ahmad Rida are lies, deviancy, slander and excess and he is from Ashab Adhlal (people of deviancy) and opponents of Ahmad Rida are supporters of the Shari’ah.’

9. Mawlana Madani writes that Ahmad Rida & co are similar to Bani Israel in the sense that they did tahrif in Torah and these people are guilty of tahrif in the meaning of Qur’an and Sunnah.

10. Lastly, Mawlana Madani writes that takfir of Ahmad Rida & co will return to them in the light of Sahih hadiths. He writes that when Barlewis will show up at Pond of Kawthar, angels will say, 'you do not know what they innovated (new things) in the religion after you.’ At this Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) will turn away Dajjal Barelwi and his followers away from Hawd Kawthar and Shifat Mahmud humiliated worse than dogs.

These are just few examples. Everyone is welcomed to read the book.

[Usman]

JazakAllah, brother, just in case :

[Ahmad_shakeel]

Assalam o alaykum,

Shaykh al-Islam Mawlana Hussain Ahmad Madani (may Allah have mercy on him) wrote a book in refutation of Ahmad Rada Khan. He named this book,

Al-Shihab al-Thaqib ‘ala al-Mustariq al-Kadhib – The Shooting Meteor on the Deserving Liar (Ahmad Rada Khan).

This book can be downloaded here along with Ghayat al-Mamul of Mufti Sayyid Ahmad Barzanji al-Shafi in refutation of Ahmad Rada Khan and his ‘aqida of ilm al-ghayb.

Below are few titles that Mawlana Madani blessed Ahmad Rada with in this book.

1. Mujaddid al-Tadhlil wa al-Takfir – A reviver in the field of deviance and anathematization (takfir).

2. In this book Mawlana Madani writes that, ‘teacher of Ahmad Rada was Iblis.’ Just like Iblis whispers in the hearts of some and spread rumors and lies, Iblis whispered in the heart of Ahmad Rada and the result was lies spread by Ahmad Rada against Deobandis. He also writes that Shaytan Iblis taught Ahmad Rada deviant beliefs.

3. Mawlana Madani writes that Ahmad Rada is similar to Mirza Qadyani in the sense that both were so-called claimants of mujaddids of this century.

4. Mawlana Madani refers to Ahmad Rada as ‘Dajjal Barelwi’ who has no regard for Qur’an and Sunnah and is hell-bent on distortion to prove his ‘aqaid.

5. He writes that Ahmad Rada is worthy of Hell Fire.

6. He writes that Ahmad Rada is guilty of sabotaging Din Islam in the eyes of ‘ulama of Madina.

7. Mawlana Madani writes that Ahmad Rada like the Christians exaggerated in the praise of Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace).

8. Mawlana Madani writes, ‘from this we know that ‘aqaid and sayings of Ahmad Rada are lies, deviancy, slander and excess and he is from Ashab Adhlal (people of deviancy) and opponents of Ahmad Rada are supporters of the Shari’ah.’

9. Mawlana Madani writes that Ahmad Rada & co are similar to Bani Israel in the sense that they did tahrif in Torah and these people are guilty of tahrif in the meaning of Qur’an and Sunnah.

10. Lastly, Mawlana Madani writes that takfir of Ahmad Rada & co will return to them in the light of Sahih ahadith. He writes that when Barlewis will show up at Pond of Kawthar, angels will say, 'you do not know what they innovated (new things) in the religion after you.’ At this Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) will turn away Dajjal Barelwi and his followers away from Hawd Kawthar and Shifat Mahmud humiliated worse than dogs.

These are just few examples. Everyone is welcomed to read the book.

where is br. muslim786?

[muslim786]

where is br. muslim786?

I will forward the book onto Shaykh Sahib to see what he says, but he is not in the business of fitnah mongering like some people on here. However even this book clarifies:

1) Most of these debates and discussions are emotive based, the language quoted is just as bad as the barelvi language used against deobandis. I find it quite hard to believe that such words have originated from the likes of Hazrat Shaykh Husain Ahmed Madani (rah), a person who has been held in high regard by many non deobandis.

2) Still there is no clear cut takfeer of barelvis, by a akabir scholar who clearly is presented as knowing about the barelvi condition.

[Usman]

I will forward the book onto Shaykh Sahib to see what he says, but he is not in the business of fitnah mongering like some people on here. However even this book clarifies:

1) Most of these debates and discussions are emotive based, the language quoted is just as bad as the barelvi language used against deobandis.

2) Still there is no clear cut takfeer of barelvis, by a akabir scholar who clearly is presented as knowing about the barelvi condition.

Wow, Sarcasm can kill the direct insult.

Btw, Who says that the ulama did DIRECT takfir of Barelvis, Most Ulama never did DIRECT takfir of Shias, set aside barelvis rather condictional.... but we're playing scrabble here...

[Ahmad_shakeel]

Wow, Sarcasm can kill the direct insult.

Btw, Who says that the ulama did DIRECT takfir of Barelvis, Most Ulama never did DIRECT takfir of Shias, set aside barelvis rather condictional.... but we're playing scrabble here...

in previos thread it was asked that show me where barelvis were declared non-sunis

now asking for 'clear-cut' takfeer?

[muslim786]

in previos thread it was asked that show me where barelvis were declared non-sunis

now asking for 'clear-cut' takfeer?

My urdu is limited so I will need to get the book verified by someone I know who has a good understanding of Urdu, but it seems that you are right, that at least one akabir Deobandi scholar does imply that Maulana Ahmed Raza Khan is not a sunni and possibly even non muslim. The non sunni part shouldn't have come as a suprise to me I guess, as clearly their are major disputes between the two groups resulting in endless debates and books etc, but the takfir is a complete shock to me.

So is the official stand point of the Deobandi Ulama is that Maulana Ahmed Raza Khan is not from the Ahle Sunnah and also that he is a kaffir, nuadhabillah?

[a_muslim]

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1) Most of these debates and discussions are emotive based, the language quoted is just as bad as the barelvi language used against deobandis. I find it quite hard to believe that such words have originated from the likes of Hazrat Shaykh Husain Ahmed Madani (rah), a person who has been held in high regard by many non deobandis.
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maybe itll be easier to believe if u think of ur self being in his position. when sumbody accuses u and ALL of ur teachers and mashaaikh (who give their lives for the srvice of islam, literally) as being kafir. not only that but he changes their words and accuses them of all sorts of stuff. i just read a tiny bit from 'mutala'a e barailwiyat' of Allamah Khalid Mhmud the other day, and he quotes Moulana Ahmad Rada Khan, and in probably about 3 or 4 lines he calls the deobandi ulama munafiqs, mushriks, donkeys of dajjal, sumthing (dont know what the urdu word means) of iblis and theres also other unbelievable stuff. And this book (Hadrat Madani's rh) is directed to this person.
if another alim such as Hazrat Thanwi rahimahullah still forbids others to say anything bad about Moulanai Ahmad Rada Khan and to stil respect him then that is obviously really good and his way of looking at it (who am i to judge wot the akabir think. im just givin my opinion of this difrent attitude). maybe Shaykhul Islam Mawlana Husain Ahmad Madani (rahmatullahialaih) simply cudnt accept the extent to which Maulana Ahmad Raza Khan went to, just to prove other ulama, (who remember included himself and his beloved teachers and mashaaikh and also the blessed madrasah wherein he studied and taught) as kafir. Wheras others thought its better to respect him, especially for the general ppl (awaam) who Hadrat Thanwi rahmatullahialaih was probably talking to.

maybe sum1 who understands wot im tryin to say can expand a litl coz i dont know how to xplain it properly

i apologize for any mistake or if u feel i am being disrespectful to u.

May Allah Ta'ala forgive and guide us all. Ameen.

wassalam

[muhammadkaramahmed]

I feel sad to hear that you Deobandis are so obsessed with maligning alaHazrat that you forget your own Molvi's words. Let me remind you, shall I?

From the book 'Adab aur Ikhtilaaf-e-Rai' - Respect and Differences of Opinion, being a rendering of a speech delivered by the vice principal of Dar-ul-Uloom Deoband, Qari Molvi Muhammad Tayyib Qasmi :

Molwi Ashraf `Ali Thanwi and Shaykh Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi (rahimahullah)

I have witnessed the fact that Molvi Ashraf `Ali Thanwi differed on numerous subjects from Shaykh Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi (rahimahullah). Their differences covered the topics of Qiyaam, Urs, Meelad etc. But in spite of this, whenever his name happened to be mentioned in a Majlis (gathering), he used to say, "Moulana Ahmad Raza Khan Sahib."

On one occasion an individual sitting in the Majlis mentioned his name without adding the title Moulana to his name saying, "Ahmad Raza Khan." Molwi Ashraf `Ali Thanwi became angry and scolded him saying, "He is an Alim after all in spite of the fact that there are differences of opinion between us, you are disrespecting the position he has been granted. How can this be correct? Differences of opinion is another matter altogether. It is a seperate issue that he considers me to be upon error pertaining to certain issues. What is the meaning of such condescension, such disrespect for him?"

[abul_hussain]

is there english translation of Al-Shihab al-Thaqib ‘ala al-Mustariq al-Kadhib – The Shooting Meteor on the Deserving Liar ( Ahmad Reza Khan Barelwi ). and Ghayat al-Mamul of Mufti Sayyid Ahmad Barzanji al-Shafi in refutation of Ahmad Rida Khan and his ‘aqida of ilm al-ghayb.


Also, can someone post the fatwa of Shaykh Mufti Abdul Rahim Lajpuri from Fatawa Rahimiyyah which discusses barelwi claims.