The last words of Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi...?

[abulayl]

So does Rasoolallah have a greater title than "hazrat?" If so, how would it be disrespectful to address Ahmed Raza (ra) as "ala Hazrat".

Waslaam.

Generally arabs dont use the title hazrat but sayyiduna a lot more than hazrat.

We call prophets(aw) with Normal Hazrat
We call sahaba(rd) with Normal Hazrat
But barelwis call their shikh as Ala = highest Hazrat. So you cann see Highest position of hazrats(ala hazrat is ala than other normal hazrat)

[Cue_Jay]

Generally arabs dont use the title hazrat but sayyiduna a lot more than hazrat.

We call prophets(aw) with Normal Hazrat
We call sahaba(rd) with Normal Hazrat
But barelwis call their shikh as Ala = highest Hazrat. So you cann see Highest position of hazrats(ala hazrat is ala than other normal hazrat)

But in the same way Allah (swt) calls Sayyiddina Ibraheem (a.s) Sideeq anabiyyah in the holy quran and we call Sayyiddina Abu Bakr as Sideeq e Akbar, meaning the greatest Sideeq. So does this mean Abu Bakr is a greater sideeq than a prophet? Please answer.

Wasalaam.

[abulayl]

But in the same way Allah (swt) calls Sayyiddina Ibraheem (a.s) Sideeq anabiyyah in the holy quran and we call Sayyiddina Abu Bakr as Sideeq e Akbar, meaning the greatest Sideeq. So does this mean Abu Bakr is a greater sideeq than a prophet? Please answer.

Wasalaam.

The title siddique isnt used by everyone. But the title Hadhrat is used before every respected sheikh(prophet,sahaba,tabii,salaf and current scholar). The word "Ala" makes the hadhrat higher than other hadhrat.

we dont say siddique prophet mohammad or siddique sahaba. we mention "hadhrat" after every respected persos name. When you used the "Ala-highest" , is actuelly superlative form of "high" which means highest hadhrat than all other hadhrat.

If he would have got title like "Ala-sher", we could have understood, cause we dont call everyone "sher". But we call every respected sheikh(prophet, sahaba, tabii,salaf and current scholar) as hadhrat.

The title was given by Allah isnt used after every peoples name, But hadhrat is. So the word "ala" makes the title"hadhrat" higher than everyone. Every person who has littl eknowledge about any langauge grammatic, will understand this.

[Majlis Raipuri]

But in the same way Allah (swt) calls Sayyiddina Ibraheem (a.s) Sideeq anabiyyah in the holy quran and we call Sayyiddina Abu Bakr as Sideeq e Akbar, meaning the greatest Sideeq. So does this mean Abu Bakr is a greater sideeq than a prophet? Please answer.

Wasalaam.

I think,
comparing a sahabi with a prophet is not appropriate because prophets were not the umma of Hazrat Muhammad Rasul allh صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ,this matter is about the muhammadi umma i.e we are discussing titles given within this umma.wallahu alam.
every title is related to a specific incident i.e why that tiltle is given to someone.
so what is the incident or story behind this "Ala Hazrat" tilte.
by the way why they stress to say and write ahmad raza IMAM?

[Cue_Jay]

The title siddique isnt used by everyone. But the title Hadhrat is used before every respected sheikh(prophet,sahaba,tabii,salaf and current scholar). The word "Ala" makes the hadhrat higher than other hadhrat.

we dont say siddique prophet mohammad or siddique sahaba. we mention "hadhrat" after every respected persos name. When you used the "Ala-highest" , is actuelly superlative form of "high" which means highest hadhrat than all other hadhrat.

If he would have got title like "Ala-sher", we could have understood, cause we dont call everyone "sher". But we call every respected sheikh(prophet, sahaba, tabii,salaf and current scholar) as hadhrat.

The title was given by Allah isnt used after every peoples name, But hadhrat is. So the word "ala" makes the title"hadhrat" higher than everyone. Every person who has littl eknowledge about any langauge grammatic, will understand this.

Brother streetwalker,

Lets make this simple for everyone.

We have different CLASSES of people in the deen with regards to status right? For example we have the Mursaleen, Amnbiya, Sidiqeen, Shuhuda, Saaliheen etc.

Lets us take a class from the above. Lets take Siddiqeen. We know that Sayyiddina Ibraheem (a.s) and Sayyiddina Abu Bakr (r.a) belong in this category. But of course this is just one of the ranks of Sayyiddina Ibraheem (a.s) his highest rank being that of Khalillullah.
Anyway, my question to you dear brother is which of these two Siddeqs is greater? Is it Sayyiddina Ibraheem (a.s) or Sayyiddina Abu Bakr (r.a)? Of course your answer will be Sayyiddina Ibraheem (a.s) due to his highest status of Prophethood. This means he is higher than Sayyiddina Abu Bakr (r.a) in EVERY respect. Right? Despite knowing this, why do we still call Sayyiddina Abu Bakr (r.a) As-Siddiqe Akbar? Meaning THE GREATEST SIDDIQ. Surely he is not a greater Sideeq than Sayyiddina Ibraheem (a.s).

The answer to this lies in the fact that amongst his CLASS of people, Sayyiddina Abu Bakr (r.a) is the greatest Siddeeq and he can match no Prophet (a.s).

And in the same manner, Imam Ahmad Rida Khan(r.a) is the greatest hazrat in HIS class of people and can match no Prophet (a.s)


Wasalaam.

[Cue_Jay]

I think,
comparing a sahabi with a prophet is not appropriate because prophets were not the umma of Hazrat Muhammad Rasul allh صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ,this matter is about the muhammadi umma i.e we are discussing titles given within this umma.wallahu alam.
every title is related to a specific incident i.e why that tiltle is given to someone.so what is the incident or story behind this "Ala Hazrat" tilte.
by the way why they stress to say and write ahmad raza IMAM?

Salaam brother

When you're filling out an application and you get to the part where it says "TITLE", I suppose you normally tick the "MR" section. So what was the incident that was related to this title? What gave you the title of MR so and so?

Also, please can you provide evidence for the part highlighted in red?

[muslim786]

The title siddique isnt used by everyone. But the title Hadhrat is used before every respected sheikh(prophet,sahaba,tabii,salaf and current scholar). The word "Ala" makes the hadhrat higher than other hadhrat.

we dont say siddique prophet mohammad or siddique sahaba. we mention "hadhrat" after every respected persos name. When you used the "Ala-highest" , is actuelly superlative form of "high" which means highest hadhrat than all other hadhrat.

If he would have got title like "Ala-sher", we could have understood, cause we dont call everyone "sher". But we call every respected sheikh(prophet, sahaba, tabii,salaf and current scholar) as hadhrat.

The title was given by Allah isnt used after every peoples name, But hadhrat is. So the word "ala" makes the title"hadhrat" higher than everyone. Every person who has littl eknowledge about any langauge grammatic, will understand this.

Brother you know that the Barelvis don't think of Imam Ahmed Raza Khan (rah) is higher in status than the Prophet's SAWAS, Sahabas (RA) or even other great Walis such as Ala Hazrat Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani (rah). So why do you try to mislead others into thinking that Barelvis have such a belief?

[abulayl]

Brother you know that the Barelvis don't think of Imam Ahmed Raza Khan (rah) is higher in status than the Prophet's SAWAS, Sahabas (RA) or even other great Walis such as Ala Hazrat Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani (rah). So why do you try to mislead others into thinking that Barelvis have such a belief?

was saying what ala hadhrat means and does it fits with their aqeedah or not. But as you say, their aqeedah doesnt suits to the meaning of the title. so he also doesnt desrves to be called ala hadhrat. And giving the title "Ala" whomever they want, makes it laughble and shows ignorance about the meaning of "ala"