Mujahideen Do not Attack Muslims

[Abu_Bilal]

Assalam Alaikum.

Why do people keep on talking in ignorance?

Who here has been to Waziristan and Afghanistan?

You people just read the media and make up your minds. TTP are the same talibaan, who are fighting in Afghanistan. Mullan Umar NEVER DISTANCED himself from the TTP.

This is a public forum, i just wish i could say more.

[Usman]

ofcourse not the whole of Tehreek-e-Taliban is bad, but the TTP, Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan is definatly bad and a CIA/RAW created and backed group.

Qari Zainuddin Mehsud himself was a member of Tehreek-e-Taliban and exposed Baitullah Mehsud of being a cia and indian agent.

ofcourse the majority of the people in TTP are brainwashed children but the leadership of Baitullah masud, hakeemula, mulana fazullah are all indian agents brainwashing children.

Again, the same old trumpet. By Tehreek-e-Taliban I meant Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan. This "Raw /CIA" stuff is a part of the government propaganda, further backed by their agents like Zaid hamid, Hamid Mir etc.... There ARE no raw/cia created Taliban. Qari Zain is not an authority, he just "happens" to be from the Mehsood tribe, just like those thousands of "Mehsud" people in Karachi ( there's even a Coach called "Mehsud Coach" ). The government want's to create this difference in the minds of people so that they can gather support for conducting operations against the Mujahideen in Pakistan.

After all, if these indian/american funded terrorists are in Pakistan, WHO were those thousands of people whom the government has been arresting/killing and hundreds that were sent to GITMO after being given BY the Pakistani Intelligence agencies?

All part of the propaganda. Even Hakeemullah Mehsud and other brothers videos are now being released by As-Sahaab, proving that there's no difference between the Taliban on either side of the border.

[xs11ax]

i do not know what to believe.

my cousin has just returned from hajj. he met a guy in madina from afghanistan who claimed to be taliban. according to that guy the taliban have nothing to do with pakistan taliban and do not support them.

[pawlak]

i do not know what to believe.

my cousin has just returned from hajj. he met a guy in madina from afghanistan who claimed to be taliban. according to that guy the taliban have nothing to do with pakistan taliban and do not support them.

When they ( aka , the satanic ILLuminati ) can not stop leaking the truth , they have started making
confusion. It is a tricky idea. When a man comes to the pond and want to see the snake swimming in the deep water , how will he be prevented by detecting the snake ? Simple solution : Make the water muddy or cloudy !!!


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Drone attacks may be expanded in Pakistan

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=11803

Obama has endorsed an expansion of CIA operations in the country, approving the deployment of more spies and resources in a clandestine counterpart to the 30,000 additional U.S. troops being sent into Afghanistan.

Pakistan is not expected to hand over Mullah Mohammed Omar, the Taliban leader and longtime ally of Osama bin Laden who fled Afghanistan when U.S. forces invaded after the Sept. 11 attacks. Omar is believed to have used Quetta as a base from which to orchestrate insurgent attacks in Afghanistan.

But U.S. officials said they have presented Pakistan with a list of Taliban lieutenants and argued that, with a U.S. pullout scheduled to begin in 18 months, the urgency of dismantling the so-called Quetta shura is greater than at any time in the 8-year-old war.

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Taliban can be admired for their faith and loyalty, says bishop


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ys-bishop.html

“We’ve been too simplistic in our attitude towards the Taliban,” said Bishop Venner, who was recently commissioned in his new role by Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury.

“There’s a large number of things that the Taliban say and stand for which none of us in the west could approve, but simply to say therefore that everything they do is bad is not helping the situation because it’s not honest really.

“The Taliban can perhaps be admired for their conviction to their faith and their sense of loyalty to each other.”

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http://www.ukcolumn.org/2009/10/05/m...ixated-threat/

One of the problems that the establishment has, is that we’re not far enough along the road to dictatorship that they can start actually killing people in any numbers. Occasionally, for example David Kelly, they take the risk.

For Maurice Kirk, and activists like him, they don’t want to draw attention to him by killing him, and they don’t dare go to a full trial. A trial results in facts ending up in the official record. Worse, trials, at least for a while longer, have juries. The truth will out, as they say, and they are scared of that.

So the Fixated Threat Assessment Centre is there to make sure that in circumstances such as these, instead of prosecuting a charge in the courts, the charge is used as an excuse for a corrupt judge to order psychological and psychiatric assessments. All it takes is for some so-called psychiatrist to say that he feels an assessment should take place, and before you know it, you’re “Sectioned.”

And that’s exactly what happened to Maurice Kirk.

[المفكّر]

I thought this was relevant so...

Apparently there exists a branch of the US special forces that are trained to look, talk and fight like and amongst the Mujahideen in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I know that a lot of Muslim publications have been saying this forever that it is part of a campaign to smear and discredit the Mujahideen but there has rarely been a credible acknowledgment of this by the American side. Now, Electronic Arts, one of the biggest game development companies in the world, is closely working with one such group of elite special forces to develop its newest game 'Medal of Honor' that is heavily based on and inspired by real-life events. The game of course, is set in Afghanistan and the cover is a picture of an American soldier disguised to look like an Afghani, and you can see much more in newly released trailer for the game. Just search for it on Google.

That's as close as actual confirmation we can get about such operations being conducted by the US in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

[Rahmaniyyah]

Hadith: al-Harbu Khuda'ah

War is deception

[المفكّر]

Hadith: al-Harbu Khuda'ah

War is deception

It's a shame when the enemies of Islam are more aware and receptive of our Beloved Messenger 's sayings and advices in practical life while we have got our collective heads in the sand either chasing modernization or condemning each other.

[Colonel_Hardstone]

Attacks being done are supposidly by TTP but isn't the statement posted in this thread from Al-Qaida? I have actually read the direct statement by TTP (Mufti something) which is more relevant to this thread...

It is true that civilians are not directly targetted but Mosques where people associated with Army (Active Duty, Retired and their Children) pray are targetted.

Funerals where such people are also targetted.

Polling stations where poor people travel to vote are targetted.

NWFP Provincial Assembly building is targetted.

National Assembly is targetted.

In other words let me post the question again for which I got banned.

Maulana Abu_Bilal is the son of the Retired Army Officer who had nothing to do with this Operation and he could be simply praying along with his dad, be targeted and killed!

I also have Retired Army Officers who are relatives, retired for decades who live in houses/lands in colonies which were provided to them by Government (as their Retirment benefit) so I could be visiting my relatives, praying in the Mosques and get blown up and that would be considered legitimate by TTP. Where is the Shariah evidence for that?

The words in RED are where TTP & Al-Qaida find their Shariah justification i.e. we targetted Murtad (Apostate) Army in their colony, Government and its associates and during that phase some innocent civilians died...***Jee-Wiz! Sorry about that Chaps***

P.S: I am not scared to die and if it is in my Taqdeer to get blown up while praying by TTP, so be it, but thats not the point here.

[pawlak]

People should wake up and learn lessons from the British psyops aganinst IRA in Ireland. Planting agent provocateurs within IRA , they made the IRA unpopular.

http://www.army.mil.ph/OG5_articles/Insegencies.htm

It is important to note Britain’s emphasis on psychological warfare operations to defeat the IRA insurgency. Kitson, Britain’s premier military strategist, who authored the counterinsurgency bible “Low Intensity Conflict”, believed that “it is in men’s minds that wars of subversion have to be fought and decided”. Thus, British counterinsurgency strategists concentrated on influencing and conditioning the mindset of the people on how they saw the problem in the North. Also part of the psychological warfare, Britain demonstrated the full strength of the state by implementing laws and regulations to quell the insurgency.

For further insight , visit the following links.

http://www.psywar.org/malaya.php

http://www.apmforum.com/columns/orientseas36.htm

[Usman]

Attacks being done are supposidly by TTP but isn't the statement posted in this thread from Al-Qaida? I have actually read the direct statement by TTP (Mufti something) which is more relevant to this thread...

It is true that civilians are not directly targetted but Mosques where people associated with Army (Active Duty, Retired and their Children) pray are targetted.

Funerals where such people are also targetted.

Polling stations where poor people travel to vote are targetted.

NWFP Provincial Assembly building is targetted.

National Assembly is targetted.

In other words let me post the question again for which I got banned.

Maulana Abu_Bilal is the son of the Retired Army Officer who had nothing to do with this Operation and he could be simply praying along with his dad, be targeted and killed!

I also have Retired Army Officers who are relatives, retired for decades who live in houses/lands in colonies which were provided to them by Government (as their Retirment benefit) so I could be visiting my relatives, praying in the Mosques and get blown up and that would be considered legitimate by TTP. Where is the Shariah evidence for that?

The words in RED are where TTP & Al-Qaida find their Shariah justification i.e. we targetted Murtad (Apostate) Army in their colony, Government and its associates and during that phase some innocent civilians died...***Jee-Wiz! Sorry about that Chaps***

P.S: I am not scared to die and if it is in my Taqdeer to get blown up while praying by TTP, so be it, but thats not the point here.

Again, there's no statement published in Pakistani media OR the foreign media anymore that is directly from TTP, so I don't know what and where you read such things. However, you can read similar incident in Nisai and Ibn Majah about Syyidina Abu Bakr Siddique Radhi Allahu anh and other sahabah , when they attacked the enemy camps at night, some old men and women also were killed, because they couldn't differentiate between them.

The same thing was said by the brother in the video and the mentioned article, that we don't target them directly. As for your "Jee Whiz" stuff, it's nothing unexpected since you don't know the religious matters as much as ulama. Better read the books of Jihad written by ulama for conditions, I won't directly refer to them because going deep into these matters may get this thread locked or / and deleted. However, you'll find your answer there, or ask ulama.

Finally, they say that they are justified in attacking Army camps, Police head-quarters and government officials who are involved in killing of Mujahideen, and this too is justified, not only justified now, this was mentioned the day the Islamic Emirates were attacked, that whoever sides with the enemy, will become murtad, set aside the people who say "We're the frontline ally of the pUS."