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    Default Re: Beliefs of Muhammad Alawi Maliki and Ulama of Deoband

    Quote Originally Posted by Saad View Post
    Assalam o alaykum,

    Did you know that some of Deobandi 'ulama signed the book Mafahim without reading it. Once they found out they were shocked that he has such beliefs. They took back their support and said that had we known his bid'ati beliefs we would have never backed this book.

    One such scholars was Shaykh Sayyid Nafis Shah al-Hussani (may Allah have mercy on him). He signed the book Mafahim without a word. Later on he said I make ruju and he signed the refutation of Mufti Abd al-Sattar against Muhammad Alawi.


    My friend can you outline what you think these so called bidati beliefs are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naqshbandikhalidi View Post
    Something is quite fishy everyone knows Mawlana Zakriyah's many karamats and basirat. Somehow he was having a heart to heart friendship with a bidati like Sayid Alawi Al Maliki. I highly doubt people like Mawlana Zakriyah could be thrown off so much and lack inner sight into such things. Although he was not anything like his elders in the field of tasawwuf as he mentions in Aap Beti i do know he had extreme insight into such matters. Although his many khulafa are quite dry and exoteric until this day. Hence the signings of the FATWA!
    Assalam o alaykum,

    Are you serious? Have you lost your mind?

    What does good relations prove anything? There are good relations between Sunni and Salafi scholars and so on.

    Oh now Shaykh al-Hadith Mawlana Zakariyya had ilm al-ghayb, and he must have known what is inside the heart of Alawi Maliki before he had even written these books. What non-sense. Is this what tasawwuf teach you to put miracles and karamat above 'aqaid. Mawlana Zakarriya was a staunch Deobandi and his 'aqaid were same as mentioned in our books and he didn't tolerate any bid'ahs. He was a true champaion of tawhid and sunnah. In light of this his khulafa refuted Muhammad Alawi and didn't care about these relations. They were truly trained by their shaykh and these relations didn't stop them from stating haq. SubhanAllah.

    Ulama of Deoband agreed on refutation of Muhammad Alawi Maliki in the light of his books. This is the main point. Please don't come up with any stories and if you want to defened Muhammad Alawi Maliki then defend his 'aqaid in the light of Qur'an and Sunnah by starting a new thread.

    By the way what would you say of this ayat in the Qur'an,

    وَمِمَّنْ حَوْلَكُمْ مِّنَ ٱلأَعْرَابِ مُنَٰفِقُونَ وَمِنْ أَهْلِ ٱلْمَدِينَةِ مَرَدُواْ عَلَى ٱلنِّفَاقِ لاَ تَعْلَمُهُمْ نَحْنُ نَعْلَمُهُمْ سَنُعَذِّبُهُم مَّرَّتَيْنِ ثُمَّ يُرَدُّونَ إِلَىٰ عَذَابٍ عَظِيمٍ

    "And among those around you of the bedouins are hypocrites, and [also] from the people of Madīnah. They have become accustomed to hypocrisy. You, [O Muúammad], do not know them, [but] We know them. We will punish them twice [in this world]; then they will be returned to a great punishment. [Sūrah At-Tawbah, 101]

    And tafsir of this ayat from Jalalayn,

    "And among those around you, O inhabitants of Medina, of the Bedouins there are hypocrites, such as [the tribes of] Aslam, Ashja‘ and Ghifār, and among the townspeople of Medina, there are also hypocrites, who are obstinate in hypocrisy, engrossed in it and persisting [in it]. You do not know them — an address to the Prophet (s) — but We know them, and We shall chastise them twice, by disgracing them or having them killed in this world, and by way of punishment in the grave, then they will be returned, in the Hereafter, to a terrible chastisement, namely, the Fire."
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    Salaam alaikum,

    I think people should refrain from talking about Muslims who have passed away, even those people who were known to sin, and especially those who are counted among the ulama by many scholars (in the case of Shaikh Muhammad Alawi Maliki rahmatullah alaih, who was not just some 'arab') and especially those people who have seemingly been accepted by Allah to perform a particular service for the ummah (in the case of Ahmad Deedat sahib rahmatullah alaih). You don't have to but I think that remaining silent will prove more beneficial on yawm ul-qiyama. My Shaikh never says anything bad about anyone, even the Barelvi Hadrat, Ahmad Khan. He just refers to him as 'the Barelvi Hadrat', he is a Deobandi but he doesn't use a disrespectful tone towards people, regardsless of their tone. Everyone has faults, whether known or unknown, and I find it disturbing when people try to take something that is not a matter of kufr and iman, and try to cast a shadow of ill feeling towards a certain individual, especially when that person has passed away, as far as we know, as a muslim with iman. Why not just make du'a for the person, why not just conceal their faults if some how you have learned of them, and make du'a that Allah forgives them. We should fear Allah and hold our tongue.


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    Assalam o alaykum,

    Some of the beliefs that Ulama of Deoband refuted Muhammad Alawi Maliki for:

    1. Belief that it's permissible to call those in graves for help and when called upon they do tasarruf and help us. Making dua to the creation and asking them for things that are above the means (ma fawq al-asbab) is permissible.

    2. Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) is hazir nazir or in other words witnessing and aware of every single thing that goes on anywhere in the World at all times.

    3. Holy Messenger has complete knowledge of 5 things including exact time of the Hour; Holy Messenger has been given complete (kul) knowledge of unseen from the first day till the last.

    4. Belief that the keys of the World and Heavens have been delegated to the Holy Prophet.

    5. Authority to give Paradise, Hell and distribute rizq (sustenance) has been given to the Holy Prophet.

    6. It is permissible to take oath by the name of Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace).

    7. Doing batil interpretation Qur'an and ahadith.

    8. Discussion on miracles, khalaq and kasab.

    9. Using weak ahadith in the matters of ‘aqaid and fiqh. Bringing forth proofs that have nothing to do with the claim thus causing confusing and deceiving the laymen.

    10. It is a polytheistic thinking to refer to Prophets as only bashars (humans)!

    There are many other fiqhi issues discussed in the book Tahqiqi Nazar by these scholars. Please refer to that book for complete refutation and discussion.

    Note: I don't want to discuss the above listed points or proofs for or against these. If anyone wants to discuss these issues then open another thread. Any such posts will be deleted.
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    Assalam o alaykum,

    Mufti Muhammad Abd al-Farid of Dar al-Ulum Haqqania Akora Khattak had originally signed Mafahim. Below is his ruju that he made. He mentions that Muhammad Alawi Maliki is a friend of enemies of Ahl al-Haq. He also mentions that he had only glanced through some parts of the book [as was the case with many scholars who signed this book].

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    Assalam o alaykum,

    Ruju-nama of Mawlana Aziz al-Rahman Hazarwi


    Below is a fatwa from Dar al-Ulum Karachi signed by Mufti Rafi Usmani, Mufti Mahmud Ashraf Usmani, Mawlana Abd al-Rauf Sakharwi, Mawlana Abd al-Manan and Mawlana Ismat Allah regarding the ruju of Mawlana Aziz al-Rahman. They are discussing the ruju of Mawlana Aziz al-Rahman where he mentions that in future my preface should not be used in future edition of Mafahim. These scholars urged Mawlana Aziz al-Rahman to mass-publish his ruju so the damage that was done by Mafahim can be undone.



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    May Allah (subhanahu wa ta'alaa) free our hearts from pride and despise one another

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    LOVE FOR THE AULIYAA

    According to Shaikh Aarif Abu Turaab Bakhshni (rahmatullahi alayh) when the heart of a man turns away from Allah Ta`ala in consequence of his addiction to disobedience and transgression, he makes the Auliyaa a target for criticism. He denies and ridicules them. (This is a sign of Allah’s curse on such a person).

    Shaikh Aarif Abul Fawaaris Shah Bin Shujaa Kirmaani (rahmatullahi alayh) said that there is no Ibaadat better than love for the Auliyaa of Allah Ta`ala. Love for the Auliyaa is a sign of love for Allah Ta`ala. (This is based on the Hadith: “Good Suhbat (i.e. companionship of the Auliyaa) is better than good deeds.”)

    http://books.themajlis.net/node/167


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    Default Re: Beliefs of Muhammad Alawi Maliki and Ulama of Deoband

    Quote Originally Posted by muslim786 View Post

    Why would anyone sign an endorsement for a book without first reading it?
    You can pose the defenders of Shaykh Muhammad ibn Alawi al-Maliki the same question. He asked Mufti Taqi Usmani for an endorsement based on what other Deobandi scholars had stated about mafahim. But Mufti Taqi refused and said this is unacceptable for him personally.

    Mufti Yusuf Ludhianwi stated for this reason in tahqiqi nazar (p. 347) that he never lets other scholars write endorsements for his books, because many times they do not even read the book and just give an endorsement out of respect for the status of the scholar.

    The same thing probably happened with Mafahim.
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    Our Ummah is in such a fragmented state. There's mass confusion. No one knows what's right or wrong anymore. We can't even keep up with the fitan with this new firqah and new bid'ah and new whatever coming up from all around us every two minutes. We don't have time to consider how we should react. Unity is a forgotten concept and its all about exposing everything and everyone. What happened to Rasulullah (SAW) preventing the slaying of a known Munafiq for the sake of unity? We can disagree internally but externally we must show a united Ummah subhan Allah we can't even speak with a bit of dignity when we disagree nowadays. You can be harsh in your criticism but still maintain unity and love. Mu'awiya (RA) and Ali (RA) fought against each other with the sword yet they met with such love and sense of brotherhood.

    The end is so near it is obvious yet we are totally incapacitated to act appropriately. This is surely a sign that we academically know what is right and what is wrong yet our actions are unable to conform!

    Closer and closer to mankind comes their Reckoning: yet they heed not and they turn away.
    al-anbiyaa 21:1


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    السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته

    AS-SAYYID MUHAMMAD IBN ALAWI ABBAS IBN ‘ABD AL AZIZ AL MALIKI ( Born 1947 in Makkah)

    by Shaykh Seraj Hendricks, Head Mufti of Cape Town, South Africa

    The Sayyid is a descendent of the prophet SAYYIDINA Muhammad (Blessings and Salutations of peace upon Him) through Imam Hasan, a grand-son of the prophet . He is a contemporary Saudi Arabian scholar of Tafseer (interpretation of the Qur’an), Hadith (the sayings of the Prophet' ), Fiqh (Islamic law), `Aqeedah (tenets of faith) and Seerah (Prophetic biography). He is the most highly acclaimed and respected scholar (Shaykh) in Makkah (Mecca). He was born to a family of traditional Maliki scholars of ancestral residence in the Holy City. His grandfather was the Qadi (Chief Judge) of Makkah and an Imam of the Holy Mosque, the site of the Ka’bah.

    His father Sayyid Alawi taught and lectured in the precints of the Holy Mosque for 30 years until he passed away in 1971, his funeral being the biggest one in the area in the present era. Sayyid Muhammad was educated by his eminent father from childhood and was authorised to teach every book he studied with him. He also learnt at the feet of prominent scholars of Makkah such as Shaykh Say-yid Ameen Kutbi, Shaykh Hassan Masshat, Shaykh Muhammad Nur Sayf, Shaykh Saeed Yamani and many others.

    Apart from the ‘ulama of the Hijaz (Arabian Peninsula) he has got "Sanad" or "‘Ijazah" (lineage of authority to teach and guide) in the theological and spiritual sciences from eminent savants all over the Islamic world. The great Da’ee (spreader of the religion) and Imam of Yemen, Imam Habib Ahmad Mashur al-Haddad , Shaykh Hasnayn Makhluf the great Mufti of Egypt, Shaykh al Ghimari of Morrocco , Shaykh Diauddin Qadiri of Madinah and numerous others have given him their ‘ijazah.


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