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    From the Basair blog: khalifa of Mufti Taqi Usmani

    al-Sayyid Muhammad al-Hasan ibn Alawi ibn Abbas ibn Abd al-Aziz al-Maliki (1947 - 2004) ra has authored a book “Mafahim Yajib ‘an Tusahhah”.

    The subject of this book is to validate from Quran & Hadith some contraversial issues that are practiced in certain Muslim communities (especially those with strong sufi affiliations) but have been very severely critized by the Salafi scholars of Saudi Arabia.

    This book was translated into Urdu language and published as “Islah e Mafaheem”, by individuals having close relations with Hadhrat Sufi Mohammad Iqbal sahib. Hadhrat Sufi sahib’s initial baiyat was with Mawlana Khair Mohammad Jalindhuri ra and afterwards with Hadrat Sheikhul Hadith Mawlana Zakiriya ra. Both of them were outstanding ahle sunnah scholars of Deobandi heritage. However, after his migration to Medinah e munawwara Hadhrat Sufi sahib ra became very close to Shaykh Alawi ra.

    Shaykh Alawi Maliki ra personally visited Pakistan and requested prominent contemporay scholars to write introduction to this urdu translation. Among them were Mawlana Yusuf Binori and Mawlana Idress Khandhelawi ra.

    The publication of Urdu translation in Pakistan raised an uproar in the Deobandi community. As a matter of fact the content of this book were totally against the Deobandi minhaj. Most of the Deobandi scholars did not agree with the author’s claim. Being crystal clear, for them it was not an issue to go into further discussions. However, for the common, Urdu reading, lay public, who could have been easily misled by this book articles were written to clearify the issue.

    I just want to mention and list these articles here. They are:

    1. Review of “Ishae Mafaheem”. By Mufti Addus Sattar ra, chief-mufti Khairul madaris, Multan, & president of the Islamic research Council.
    Various prominent Deobandi scholars endorsed it.

    2. Kitab Islahe mafaheem Urdu par ik tehqiqi nazar. By Mufti Abdush-Shakoor Trimizi ra, khalifa of Sheikhul Isalm Mawlana Zafar Ahmad Usmani ra (author of Ala us sunan) and Hadhrat Mufti Mohammad Shafi ra (founder of Darul Uloom Karachi). Published in “Maqalat e Trimizi ra”, page 208-221

    3. Book review in monthly Al-Balagh (Urdu), by Sayyidi wa sanadi Hadhrat Mufti Taqi Usmani sahib db. Published in Tabseray (new edition).

    4. Tehqiqi jaiza, by Hadhrat Mawlana Ismail Badat sahib db of Medinah e munawwarah, khalifa of Hadhrat Sheikhul hadith Mawlana Zakiriya ashib ra. This is the most detailed one.

    Knowing the details and fiqhi incorrectness of this book most of the introducers (who were alive) withdrew their recommendations. Some of the people who were involved in its publication repented and acknowledged their mistake in written and public speeches.

    However, the book is still available in the market.

    So be aware
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    Assalam o alaykum,

    According to Muhammad Alawi Maliki, Ahmad Rada Khan is the merit of Haq and Batil.

    Dr. Muhammad Masud Ahmad, a Barelwi, writes in the preface of Dawlah al-Makiyyah that when Mawlana Ghulam Mustafa, a Barelwi scholar from Bangladesh, went for Hajj he also visited Muhammad Alawi Maliki along with his friends. They introduced themselves as grand-students of Ala Hadhrat Ahmad Rada Khan. At this Muhammad Alawi Maliki stood up and remarked,

    "We know Imam Ahmad Rada Khan through his book; love for him is a sign of Sunnah and animosity for him is a sign of bid'ah."

    It says on page.16 of Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi Mujaddid of the 14th Century translated by Muhammad Aqdas,

    “Shaykh Sayyid Alawi Maliki Makki says: ‘When someone from India comes to Makkah and we want to see if he is Sunni, we simply mention the name of Imam Ahmad Raza before him. If his face lights up with happiness, we know he is a Sunni and if he shows unhappiness at his mention, we know he is something else’.”

    This is an indirect fatwa of Muhammad Alawi Maliki against all 'ulama of Deoband.


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    One question for those who know.

    Did Hazrat Sufi Iqbal sahib repent from his support of Alawi maliki makki ?
    It is well known from the book "Aap kay masaail aur un kaa hall" (your problems and their solutions) by Hazrat Maulana Yusuf Ludhyaanwi shaheed RA that Hazrat Sufi Iqbal Sahib had received Khilaafat from Alawi Maliki makki.

    As noted above, Hazrat Sufi Iqbal sahib actually participated in the publishing in Urdu of the book Mafaheem by Alawi maliki makki.


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    Quote Originally Posted by empz View Post
    Did Hazrat Sufi Iqbal sahib repent from his support of Alawi maliki makki ?
    It is well known from the book "Aap kay masaail aur un kaa hall" (your problems and their solutions) by Hazrat Maulana Yusuf Ludhyaanwi shaheed RA that Hazrat Sufi Iqbal Sahib had received Khilaafat from Alawi Maliki makki.
    Assalam o alaykum,

    I was told by a khalifa of Mawlana Abd al-Hafiz Makki that yes Mawlana Sufi Iqbal did make ruju.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saad View Post
    Assalam o alaykum,

    I was told by a khalifa of Mawlana Abd al-Hafiz Makki that yes Mawlana Sufi Iqbal did make ruju.

    JazaakAllahu Khairan for clarifying this.
    I was confused regarding this for such a long time.

    It shows that when people like Sufi Iqbal and Maulana Abdul Hafeez makki make mistakes, they repent quickly and it is a true sign of their nisbat (connection with Allah Swt).

    May Allah protect and forgive our Sahibe Nisbat shuyukh through whom ALlah guides the rest of us. Ameen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by empz View Post

    It shows that when people like Sufi Iqbal and Maulana Abdul Hafeez makki make mistakes, they repent quickly and it is a true sign of their nisbat (connection with Allah Swt).

    May Allah protect and forgive our Sahibe Nisbat shuyukh through whom ALlah guides the rest of us. Ameen.


    brother i was thinkin same

    u know some ppl are making fun of sum of our scholars tat first they aproved then took it bak the approval but it shows our scholars don hesistate to accept their mistakes...

    its tru sign of a scholar..they don care what ppl will say after them and criticize them for this.. dont let ppl create wasawas in the hearts...

    most people here aer only defending shaikh alwi because of his big status and popularity and status..



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    According to many deobandis, on the earth the truth can only be found in the ulema of deoband
    every body else is mainly misguided.
    This includes shaykh yusuf nabhani,shaykh habeebi ali,shaykh yaqoubi shaykh
    nuh keller , the syrians and yemenis are mubtedia.
    The wahhabis are ok in some things but are evil for rejecting taqleed
    the sufis r bidatis

    I wonder how the deobandis can attack modern day arab sufis yet defend ibn arabi
    and rumi and the chishtiyya, and many of the chistiyya had things like mawlid and sama' and all sorts of exercises.

    Its crazy
    THe deoband is becoming a sect.

    Stay away from sects


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    Quote Originally Posted by ayesha32 View Post
    According to many deobandis, on the earth the truth can only be found in the ulema of deoband
    every body else is mainly misguided.
    This includes shaykh yusuf nabhani,shaykh habeebi ali,shaykh yaqoubi shaykh
    nuh keller , the syrians and yemenis are mubtedia.
    The wahhabis are ok in some things but are evil for rejecting taqleed
    the sufis r bidatis

    I wonder how the deobandis can attack modern day arab sufis yet defend ibn arabi
    and rumi and the chishtiyya, and many of the chistiyya had things like mawlid and sama' and all sorts of exercises.

    Its crazy
    THe deoband is becoming a sect.

    Stay away from sects


    The thinking that the incorporation of the rasum (practices) over the centuries are automatically included with the confines of Swad al Adham is what creates an issue to the deobandies. For examples, the view of many of the issues in their original fiqhi sense is same as the others yet becomes impermissible because of some external reasons.

    The majority of ummah does not do a check with their previous generations while incoporating these practices and hence over the years a certain acts gains more and more significance. Even if the act was mubah people start to adhere to it more than other mustahabbat and sunans.. this is what creates an issue with deobandi ulama, who by their methodology checks and rechecks all these practices with the basic usools. If it is a bid'a they will declare it bid'a.

    This is not being a sect, rather reviving the usools on which the whole academics is based.


    My suggestion for other Deobandi Brothers : I have noticed that the emotions are hightened when the conflict close to home is brought up. But remember that the true deobandi honor is not is making offensive radd and bashing, rather presenting your dalail, and your haqq stance with evidence. Once you do that, your duty is finished. Any more discussion will only fuel unnecessary bickering. please refrain from such habit and show the true deobandi honor (shaan).



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmad_shakeel View Post


    br seriosly why do you jump in every such thread when you have no idea what is being discused.

    you come to some ones defense when you are not sure what blvs he had..

    why dont you sit on the sidelines as a cheer-leader and watch..as things fold out..
    it wud b apreciated

    Assalamu aliakum brother,

    I find the tone of voice you are using against brother Muslim786 to be very offensive. I don't know if you guys know each other and have an understanding (it seems not), but this kind of ridicule is not fair. Him following a different methodology does not mean you can use words like "cheer-leader" for him. He can jump into any thread he wants and if he does not know about something then either explain it to him or direct him to some other thread or respectfully decide not to engage with him.

    This advice goes for everyone including myself. Yes the ulema of Deoband had a certain aqida but yes they also had a certain akhlaaq. Take the whole package not only a part of it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hope1 View Post
    Assalamu aliakum brother

    This advice goes for everyone including myself. Yes the ulema of Deoband had a certain aqida but yes they also had a certain akhlaaq. Take the whole package not only a part of it.
    salam



    u are corect....i appolgize to anyone i have used offensive words against... i shd have conveyed my mesage in softer tone....i edit my post...but it natural to get emotional when u have ppl caling ur scholars biased instead of discsing things in lite of Quran and sunnat ...not that our scholars had anything personal against any1..


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