Israel Palestine - Two state solution?

[Ajh]

Salaamu Alaykum,
I want to ask you all what the scholars say, what we should think about the Israeli problem?
I mean I personally, at the moment am thinking, that peace is what I want for the Palestinians and to have the West Bank and Gaza free for them (without settlements, checkpoints, oppression). This is what I believe is best to work towards for the moment.
Then in years and years to come, when there is a proper Khalifa and joyous, pious, honest, fearful armies, then the whole of Palestine will be free for Jews and Muslims again under a Muslim state (like it was before).
But for the moment, I support two peaceful states, with al-Aqsa belonging to the Muslims, so that the Muslim Ummah can concentrate on bigger problems it has, like mass irreliguosness.
So to summarise,
Is it permissable/advisable/detested by our scholars for a Muslim to support a two state solution, for now at least?

[Reckoning]

What are you recognizing when you say you recognize "Israel"?

Wiki tells us: The modern state of Israel has its historical and religious roots in the Biblical Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael), a concept central to Judaism since ancient times
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Religion

So "Israelis" who now live in "Israel" state they are the descendants and only true heirs to the Holy Land. They have the deed to the land because of the Torah and Bible. As a Muslim can you accept a lie against Allah?

Are the people of the book(Torah) the chosen people? Are they the rightly guided?

Or did they break the covenant, by rejecting Isa(pbuh) and Mohammed (peace and prayers be upon him)?


Will you accept a lie against Allah?

But I'm no scholar.

[bladeknight]

Well that its if there are any land for the palestinian state left. Israelis are getting land from the palestinians through the government every day. Eventually, by the time that Palestine does have its own state, it would probably be the size of a small city only.

Anyways, for now I hope that a two-state solution actually comes, then we can focus on whether a Caliph will rule over Jews, Christians and Muslims.

[EuropeanThinker]

Well that its if there are any land for the palestinian state left. Israelis are getting land from the palestinians through the government every day. Eventually, by the time that Palestine does have its own state, it would probably be the size of a small city only.

Anyways, for now I hope that a two-state solution actually comes, then we can focus on whether a Caliph will rule over Jews, Christians and Muslims.

The secular zionist entity has nothing to do with the Israel of prophet Solomon or prophet Dawud.

the land belongs to those who obey the Creator and follow his Religion wich is Islam.

the only solution for the area is the return of the Caliphate where Muslims,Jews,Christians can live in peace and harmony under Islamic Rulership.

[AbuFatimah]

you need to look at the seerah akkhi, all solutions are found in the qur'an and sunnah.

The prophet saw gave up makka and made an islamic state in medina. However he never signed a permanent agreement to let the quraish have makka. He signed peace treaties lasting for certain amounts of time so this is probabily the best that can be done, a peace treaty for x number of years with y borders.

To completely accept a state of israel and to sign a permanent treaty recognising the state of israel would be a betrayal to our religion and I do not believed it would be permissable.

Allah knows best

[AbuFatimah]

p.s. The treaty would only be to allow peace so we could sort the ummah out and build the khilafah, then the 'israelis' would have to be destroyed by our khalifah along with the west, russia, india, china, and anyone else currently occupying muslim land

[Owen]

Its not really a question for the scholars or Palestinians, but for the Israelis. They don't want a two-state solution, and they don't want to accept the 1957 borders either (forgot actual year).

What they really want is everything Palestine, Lebanon and some parts of Syria and Egypt. Whatever's happening in the mean time is just coloured bubbles. How can anyone negotiate with these people? It has been a fruitless endeavour for over 50 years.

[flyingphtm]

ONE State!!