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    is it haram if i break the law dealing wiv travel fares.e.g buying a child ticket instead of the price of an adult
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad al-Ayyub
    is it haram if i break the law dealing wiv travel fares.e.g buying a child ticket instead of the price of an adult
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    yes because ure violating a general religious principle i.e. breaking the vendor's trust... you r supposed to display honesty in all your transactions


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    http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Q...a00002577.aspx

    The Light of Creation, the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said,

    “I was only sent to perfect noble character.”
    [Ahmad, and others]

    The Prophet Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace) said,

    “The one who cheats is not of us.”
    [Muslim, Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud, and others]

    He also said (peace and blessings be upon him),

    “The one who does not fulfill trusts has no faith, and the one who does not fulfill commitments has no religion.”
    [Ahmad, with a sound chain of narrators]

    Walaikum assalam wa rahmatullah,

    It is not permitted to cheat and deceive the government in regards to taxes. However, one can take all legal means to minimize one’s taxes.

    Wassalam,
    Faraz Rabbani
    Similar principles apply. Be good and obey the law as you agreed to do when you became a citizen/resident. Do not defraud.


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    If a man made law is against islam and a zaalim law i.e it takes away ones rights then it's overuled by many fatwa especially in times of world upheaval, as is now. Being a good muslim takes precedence over being a good citizen. Being a bad citizen does not necessarily make one a bad muslim.


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    If a man made law is against islam and a zaalim law i.e it takes away ones rights then it's overuled by many fatwa especially in times of world upheaval, as is now. Being a good muslim takes precedence over being a good citizen. Being a bad citizen does not necessarily make one a bad muslim.
    A 'good' Muslim will always be a 'good' citizen. We're bound to live by the Law of the Land also. You cannot be a 'good' Muslim while being a 'bad' citizen.

    Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanawi [ra] says in Mahasin-e-Islam:

    (Stamps are 'marked' in the post office so as to make sure that they aren't used twice, but sometimes, especially in countries like India, they miss/forget to mark a few stamps.)

    "I sometimes receive letters which have unmarked stamps on them. If I wish, I can take off those stamps, and use them for my own purposes later, but I don't. This is so becuase the stamp is actually a 'receipt' for the 20/30 cents we give to the government. 1 stamp is to be used only once. If we use the stamp twice, then we're VIOLATING THE GOVERNEMENT'S RIGHT, we will be held accountable for this on the Day of Judgement."

    This is how careful we should be even when it comes to violating the rights of an anti-Muslim governement.
    "People are asleep when they're alive, they're awakened when they die" - Sayyidina Ali.


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    So if there is a military draft to attack saudi arabia next, you will behave like a good citizen and go. Mohammed ali the boxer was a bad muslim for refusing to go to vietnam. I can think of hundreds of examples but I dont like debating or arguing, please think of other things too, like obeying abortion laws, divorce and child custody laws, laws where people can't keep beards hijaab etc. I will not debate this further, jazakallah.


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    the issue is not a case of black and white.. we must *generally* give governments their due.. when therer is injustice we withhold ourselves.. complete obedience is only to the shariah.... if there is disobedience to the shariah in the matter of obeying the government, in that precedence to shariah will be given... tho even during times of war i am bound by my contract with the government.. IN WHAT IS THE GOVERNMETN'S TRUE RIGHT

    the issue is complex... better wait for the ulema to answer it


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed
    So if there is a military draft to attack saudi arabia next, you will behave like a good citizen and go. Mohammed ali the boxer was a bad muslim for refusing to go to vietnam. I can think of hundreds of examples but I dont like debating or arguing, please think of other things too, like obeying abortion laws, divorce and child custody laws, laws where people can't keep beards hijaab etc. I will not debate this further, jazakallah.

    not going for military draft does not mean you are not a good citizen. as it probably wouldn't be only the muslims who refused. similarly, you are not anti-british or anti-american by disagreeing with the foreign policy of your land.

    a muslim is generally a law-abiding citizen.

    yes, there are issues which do contradict our shari'a - but generally these issues are not imposed on us.

    having said, there are many that are, such as:

    1. insurance - especially car... i haven't seen any ulama say insurance is halal per se, but i have seen many ulama say due to necessity and the law of the land - we are obliged to take it.

    2. the various forms of tax - which are also against shari'a... but why don't you try and avoid tax-payment and deal with the consequence.

    ...and so on.

    if th government banned hijab in schools (like in France), unforunately, you would have to abide by that law. personally, i have a problem sending muslims children to such schools anyway....

    you don't have to obey and agree with the government always to be a 'good citizen' - thats my point really.


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    jazakallah bros
    Someone asked him "pray for Allah to curse the unbelievers." He said, "I was not sent to curse but as a Mercy''
    Peace be upon him

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