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    Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaykh Dr. 'Abdullah Yusuf 'Azzam
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    “The Western society is one that is quite dull, in every sense of the word. The church…imagine that in some places, a woman will marry another woman, and a man will marry another man! Such evil! Because of this, Sayyid Qutb mentioned in his book ‘The America I Saw’ – which has never been printed, as it is said that the American embassy stole it from the printing press and burned it – that the unmarried youth who would wish to meet his girlfriend would meet her in church! An evil, wasted society! Because of this, separation from the disbelievers, and not living with them, is something clearly intended in the Shari’ah, and is supported by logic and emotion, as the Prophet said: “I am free of anyone who lives with the disbelievers,” and: “Whoever lives with a disbeliever and dies with him, then he is like him.”

    There are many, many ahadith to this effect…four or five about living with the disbelievers. Because of this, the Western life, living between the disbelievers, is a very, very, very difficult life. One of the youth – of course, the stories are many, and I am unable to tell them all here – came to me at a conference – and he was one of my students in Jordan – and said to me: “That’s it. If I do not get married, I will commit fornication. I am unable to survive,” and he repeated it again: “I am unable to survive. I am being serious with you, and whoever says other than this, then he is a liar.”

    Tell me, by Allah, an unmarried youth in the extreme heat, and at the college, a girl is sitting right next to him, with her skirt ten centimeters above her knees! And our Lord Said, about Prophet Yusuf: {“And indeed she did desire him and he would have inclined to her desire, had he not seen the evidence of his Lord.”} [Yusuf; 24] Were it not for him seeing a sign from his Lord, he would have inclined to her – Yusuf, the pure, purifying, noble son of the noble son of the noble son of the noble. So, how can this be?

    One of the sons of the Islamic movement came and asked me: “I am living with a family – and he was single, no wife with him – in order to study medicine in Britain. Is this permissible for me?”

    I said to him: “No, this is not allowed for you. What are your living conditions?”

    He replied: “I live in a room in the same apartment as the family.”

    I asked: “And the kitchen?”

    “We share the kitchen, as well as the bathroom and toilet.”

    I asked him: “Does her husband stay out for long?”

    He replied: “He sometimes leaves and spends the night outside the house.”

    “And you and her stay alone in the house?”

    He replied: “Yes.”

    I said to him: “This is not permissible, not permissible, not permissible for you!”

    He said: “How? We wish to study medicine, and produce Muslim engineers and Muslim doctors!”

    I said: “After seven years, what is left of your Islam? What is left?”

    He asked: “Should I abandon the rest of my studies? If so, what am I supposed to do?”

    I said to him: “Sell beans and tomatoes, but, do not live this life.”

    I declare it forbidden for the youth to study in the West, except if they are married. Hear it from me: it is forbidden for a youth to study in the West, unless he is married. Relay on my behalf, even if it is one fatwa: it is not allowed, not allowed, not allowed. How can one protect himself? It is impossible to protect oneself, except through marriage. It is impossible, impossible, impossible for the unmarried person to live there, unless he is abnormal. If he is abnormal, then he might be able to live there. As for the normal human being, then how, my brother? Sex is available like water, and it is allowed, according to the law, in the street, everywhere! The stories are many, and those who came to us from Italy and Sweden know very well the disasters lurking in the Western societies. So, what would we say about a youth who was in the land of Jihad, then he decided to travel to Sweden? Why do you wish to go? He said: “To get a passport from there.”

    May Allah not bless you, and may He not bless your passport. Do you wish to exchange the lands of Jihad for the most evil lands on Earth?”

    ['Fi Dhilal Surat at-Tawbah'; p. 12]


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    I declare it forbidden for the youth to study in the West, except if they are married. Hear it from me: it is forbidden for a youth to study in the West, unless he is married. Relay on my behalf, even if it is one fatwa: it is not allowed, not allowed, not allowed. How can one protect himself? It is impossible to protect oneself, except through marriage. It is impossible, impossible, impossible for the unmarried person to live there, unless he is abnormal. If he is abnormal, then he might be able to live there. As for the normal human being, then how, my brother? Sex is available like water, and it is allowed, according to the law, in the street, everywhere!
    wow...this is one heck of an eye opening statement!
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    As Salamu alaikum,

    "Sex is available like water, and it is allowed, according to the law, in the street, everywhere! "

    That is really a stretch and is for the most part not true. There is alot of Fitna in Jordanian Universities just like other parts in the Muslim world where dating is common etc. Why is it that Bro's in the west can handle going to school but then Bro's from the Muslim world can't control themselves ? I mean, you find that most of the pervs come from some of these places.


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    Shaykh Abdullah Azzam never lived in the West. He doesn't know a thing of living here. I'm still virgin, I never had relationship with a girl and I'm studying at a university. It's important to control your nafs and you can do that by practising Tasawwuf. Well.. salafis do not know a thing about Tasawwuf so that's why they're saying things as these.

    It's not like Fitnah isn't present in the Arab world. Unfortunately, men can't behave themselves at all over there. You could say the average practising Muslim brother (or sister) from the West abstains more from Fitnah than the average practising muslim brother or sister from a Muslim country!

    I'm sure if it was forbidden to study here, the 'Ulama of the west would have said so.


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    I have lived and studied in US, UK, Pakistan & Saudia...Sex is available everywhere so this is a bit of an exaggeration.



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    I was reading a fatwa by one of the Saudi ulama and the question was sent in by a brother who said that he needs advice cause he cant control his gaze. He lives in Canada and he says women dress with clothes that are see through and sometimes so short that they are practically naked.


    In the first line the shaykh says " We have said time and again that a Muslim is not allowed to stay in the Land of Kufr without a legitimate excuse ' WOW that's so powerful,,, he goes on to explain how in a Muslim country you are protected from flagrant zina in the streets etc....
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    Salaam

    Leave aside for a minute the question of whether Saudi or Salafi 'ulama - or any other 'ulama- actually know anything about living in the West. The fact is answers are based on the facts or scenario presented by a questioner, and may or not be totally factual.

    The actual issue is a deeper one, which has been discussed before. It revolves around the import of the ahadith quoted in this fatwa and elsewhere, regarding the prhibition of living unnecessarily amongst non- Muslims. Note the 'non-Muslims'. - not non-Islamic.

    Things like the preponderance of sin, the opening up of oneself and one's family to sinful influence, and the unavoidability of this, plus being responsible for 'increasing the numbers' of the non-Muslims, in various ways, seem to me to be secondary and corollary issues.

    If we have any qualified scolars Muftis onboard I would love to hear their comments. Jazakumullah.
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    Looking at it from another angle, many times its harder to practice your deen in many respects in "muslim countries" than in non muslim countries. Like openly doing da'wah and tabligh.

    What have the ulamaa said about going to the lands of ghair muslimeen for the purpose of da'wah only?


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    It is common practise in Saudia to put your head-lights on FULL BEAM to try to to get a peek through a woman whenever she tries to cross the Road at Night. Those who know this filthy practise turn their head-lights OFF.

    I must have been thanked a thousand times by women (by a gentle wave or a silent gesture) whenever I turned my lights OFF with the car stopped at crossings. A Sudani Saudi brother told me this and he always practised it and then I noticed a lot of others do it as well.

    Gay scene is thriving in Saudia, Dubai and Bahrain and not hideen from view.

    In Syria/Pakistan etc. hardcore P ORN MOVIES are regularly played in Buses, Cheap Hotels where labours sit and eat...Regular

    Public showing of P orn is so wide-spread in the Middle-East that you will be shocked...

    The point is that people are SICK in the head in the Muslim countries and it doesn't take much for their true colours to shine.


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    Uncle muadh mashallah ur an old guy(in a good way) and uve travelled a lot…I was thinking of this too…Sometimes when I travel the muslim lands you do wonder…its not hunky dory….I went to one muslim country and wherever I visited people prayed salah so fast…and with me they would take the mick….imagine im praying isha…they would say are u praying tahajud too….and I noticed that most people there did not have a clue about salah….it was more a ritual….why is it that everyone is trying to rip you off when they notice you’re a foreigner. I mean in the UK most muslims when they see that I have a beard etc would offer me a discount…not put the price up….so much dishonesty….And its not saudi arabia only….before someone thinks that im only referring to salafis and starts telling us that this is what happens when outer islam is followed…in syria, jordan too….the land of sufi islam…everyone trying to rip u off…anyway its annoying…people will only become your friend because your from the UK and have money…that’s why I always tell them I’m from India (and then see them run…hehe…)…funny story once…I was in saudi…went into the taxi and agreed a price….of 30 riyals…so anyway we got talking…he asked me where im from…told him india…anyway time came to pay and I only had 1000 riyal note and no change…so he kindly offers to give me change…..and gives me 950 back thinking im some dumb guy who don’t know any maths…so anyway I ask for my 20 back…and he says ur a rich guy…u must be royal or something…lol…maybe coz im a bit fair skinned…and he tried to flatter me….anyway I said yawmul qiyamah we shall settle it…my wife said no we settle it now…so she insists get the money from him…so I told him give me my money…and then after much hassle he gives money back….

    Many stories like this…that’s why the punishment of ALLAH is upon us….our dealings are so low….


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