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    Default Re: Sunni View on Shia/Rawafid?

    Assalam o alaykum,

    Verdict of 'Allamah Abu Sa'ud


    Following is the fatwa of Shaykh al-Islam of Ottoman Empire, Allamah Abu Sa'ud, as quoted by 'Allamah ibn 'Abidin in his Rasa'il.

    (may Allah have mercy on them)

    أفتى العلامة أبو السعود لما سئل عن الشيعة أيحل قتالهم وهل يكون المقتول منا شهيدا مع أنهم يدعون أن رئيسهم من آل النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وكيف يجوز قتالهم وهم يقولون لا أله إلا الله: أن قتالهم جهاد أكبر والمقتول منا في المعركة شهيد وأنهم باغون في الخروج عن طاعة الإمام وكافرون من وجوه كثيرة، وإنهم خارجون عن الثلاث وسبعين فرقة من الفرق الإسلامية لأنهم اخترعوا كفرا وضلالا مركبا من أهواء الفرق المذكورة وإن كفرهم لا يستمر على وتيرة واحدة بل يتزايد شيئا فشيئا...فلذا أجمع علماء الأعصار على إباحة فتلهم وإن من شك في كفرهم كان كافرا فعند الإمام الأعظم وسفيان الثوري والاوزاعي أنهم إذا تابوا ورجعوا عن كفرهم إلى الإسلام نجوا من القتل ويرجى العفو كسائر الكفار إذا تابوا، أما عند مالك والشافعي وأحمد بن حنبل وليث بن سعد وسائر العلماء العظام فلا تقبل توبتهم ولا يعتبر إسلامهم ويقتلون حدا
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    "Someone asked 'Allamah Abu Sa'ud about the Shia whether it was permissible to fight with them and will our people killed be regarded as martyrs as they claim that their leader is from the progeny of Rasul Allah and how is it permissible when they recite the kalima 'la ilaha ilal lahu'. He answered by giving the following fatwa, 'fighting against them is regarded as Jihad Akbar and those who are killed in battle against them are declared Shuhada (martyrs). They are renegades against the Imam and are kafir because of many reasons. They are not included in the seventy three groups [of Islam]. They have openly innovated many acts of kufr and falsehood in following their whims and fancies. The decision of their kufr is not based on one issue but daily it increases. Therefore the 'ulama of our times have made ijma that it is permissible to kill them. Those who doubt their kufr becomes a kafir. According to Imam al-Azam Imam Abu Hanifah, Imam Sufyan and Imam Auwzai if they repent then their repentance will be accepted like the rest of the kuffar. Imam Malik, Imam Shafi, Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal and Layth bin Saad said that their repentance will not be accepted..."

    (Rasa'il ibn 'Abidin, 1:368:369)
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    Default Re: Sunni View on Shia/Rawafid?

    Assalam o alaykum,

    Verdict of Imam Bukhari


    Imam Bukhari (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in his book,

    “I don’t see any difference between praying Salat behind a Jahmi or a Rafidi and a Christian or a Jew [because these two sects are kafir like Jews and Christians, even if they refer to themselves as Muslim]. They [Jahmis/Rawfid] are not to be greeted, nor are they to be visited, nor are they to be married, nor is their testimony to be accepted, nor are their sacrifices (zabiha) to be eaten.”

    (Khalq Af'al al-Ibad, p.13)

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    Default Re: Sunni View on Shia/Rawafid?

    Assalam o alaykum,

    Verdicts of early Imams


    روى الخلال، قال: أخبرني حرب بن إسماعيل الكرماني، قال: حدثنا موسى بن هارون بن زياد قال: سمعت الفرياني ورجل يسأله عمن شتم أبا بكر: قال: كافر، قال: فيصلي عليه؟ قال: لا، وسألته كيف يصنع به وهو يقول: لا إله إلا الله؟ قال: لا تمسوه بأيديكم ارفعوه بالخشب حتى تواروه في حفرته

    "Imam Muhammad bin Yusuf Faryabi was asked about the individual that abuses Abu Bakr? He replied, 'Kafir'. He was asked, 'should we read his janazah Salat?' He replied, 'no'. He was asked 'what should be done with him because he declares 'laa ilaha il Allahu'? He replied, 'Don’t touch him with your hands, and push him into his grave with a pole'."

    (Sunnah lil-Khilaal, 2:566)


    788 - أخبرني حرب قال حدثني محمد بن عبدالرحمن الجعفي قال ثنا حسين بن علي عن هاني بن أيوب قال سألت محارب بن دثار عن غيبته الرافضة قال إنهم إذا لقوم صدق قال حسين لم ير بغيبتهم بأسا

    "Harb mentions that Muhammad bin 'Abd al-Rahman Al-Jufi narrates that Hussain bin Ali narrates from Hani bin Ayyub that he asked Muharib bin Disaar concerning backbiting the Rawafid . He mentioned (sarcastically) 'they are a very truthful nation'. Hussein mentions that it seems that he saw no problem with backbiting the Rawafid."

    (Sunnah lil-Khilaal, 3:495)

    و كذلك قال أبو بكر بن هاني : لا تؤكل ذبيحة الروافض و القدرية كما لا تؤكل ذبيحة المرتد مع أنه تؤكل ذبيحة الكتابي لأن هؤلاء يقامون مقام المرتد و أهل الذمة يقرون على دينهم و تؤخذ منهم الجزية

    "Similarly, Abu Bakr bin Hani has mentioned, 'the slaughtered animal of the Qadariyyah and the Rawafid are not to be eaten as the slaughtered animal of any Murtad (apostate) with the fact that the slaughtered animal of the people of the book because they take the position of an apostate whereas the People of the Book who live in Islamic lands remain practicing on their religions and they pay jizya."

    (Sunnah lil-Khilaal, 3:495)

    و قال أحمد بن يونس : [ لو أن يهوديا ذبح شاة و ذبح رافضي لأكلت ذبيحة اليهودي و لم آكل ذبيحة الرافضي لأنه مرتد عن الإسلام

    "Imam Ahmad bin Yunus said, 'If a Jew was to sacrifice a lamb and a Rafidi were to sacrifice, I would surely eat the sacrifice of the Jew. And I would not eat the sacrifice of the Rafidi because he is an apostate from Islam'."

    (Al-Sarim al-Maslul, p.570)
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    Default Re: Sunni View on Shia/Rawafid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saad View Post
    Assalam o alaykum,

    Verdict of 'Allamah Abu Sa'ud


    Following is the fatwa of Shaykh al-Islam of Ottoman Empire, Allamah Abu Sa'ud, as quoted by 'Allamah ibn Abidin in his Rasa'il.

    (may Allah have mercy on them)

    "Someone asked 'Allamah Abu Sa'ud about the Shia whether it was permissible to fight with them and will our people killed be regarded as martyrs as they claim that their leader is from the progeny of Rasul Allah and how is it permissible when they recite the kalima 'la ilaha ilal lahu'. He answered by giving the following fatwa, 'fighting against them is regarded as Jihad Akbar and those who are killed in battle against them are declared Shuhada (martyrs). They are renegades against the Imam and are kafir because of many reasons. They are not included in the seventy three groups [of Islam]. They have openly innovated many acts of kufr and falsehood in following their whims and fancies. The decision of their kufr is not based on one issue but daily it increases. Therefore the 'ulama of our times have made ijma that it is permissible to kill them. Those who doubt their kufr becomes a kafir. According to Imam al-Azam Imam Abu Hanifah, Imam Sufyan and Imam Auwzai if they repent then their repentance will be accepted like the rest of the kuffar. Imam Malik, Imam Shafi, Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal and Layth bin Saad said that their repentance will not be accepted..."

    (Rasa'il ibn Abidin, 1:368:369)
    The above verdict can be found in the 15th risala from the rasa'il of Ibn Abidin, in the first volume. As the title suggests, it handles the ruling of those who insult the Prophet or any of the Sahaba:

    كتاب تنبيه الولاة والحكام على أحكام شاتم خير الأنام أو أحد الصحابة الكرام

    http://www.waqfeya.com/book.php?bid=793 (p. 368)

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    And if he were to ask for a gentle lady in marriage, he would be refused, and when he leaves the world it does not miss him, and if he goes out, his going out is not noticed, and if he falls sick, he is not attended to, and if he dies, he is not accompanied to his grave.


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    Default Re: Sunni View on Shia/Rawafid?

    Assalam o alaykum,

    Verdict of Qadi Iyad


    Qadi Iyad Maliki (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in Al-Shifa,

    و كذلك نقطع بتكفير غلاة الرافضة في قولهم : إن الأئمة أفضل من الأنبياء

    "And similarly we declare the extremist Rawafid kafir upon their statement that the imams are superior to the prophets."

    (Al-Shifa, 2:286)
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    Default Re: Sunni View on Shia/Rawafid?

    Assalam o alaykum,

    Verdict of Ibn Qutaybah al-Dinawri


    Imam ibn Qutaybah (d: 276H / may Allah have mercy on him) said,

    "Because the extremism of the Rafidah in love for ‘Ali resembles the precedence that he and the Companions would give to the Messenger of Allah and their claims of him sharing in Prophethood along with the Prophet and their ascribing knowledge of the unseen (ilm al-ghayb) to their imams and these statements and secret affairs are combined with lying and disbelief through excessive ignorance and stupidity.”


    (Al-Ikhtilaf fil-Lafdh wa-Radd 'alal-Jahmiyyah wal-Mushabbihah, p. 47)


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    Default Re: Sunni View on Shia/Rawafid?

    Assalam o alaykum,

    Verdict of Abu Hamid Muhammad al-Maqdisi


    'Allamah Maqdisi (d: 888H / may Allah have mercy on him) writes,

    "لا يخفى على كل ذي بصيرة وفهم من المسلمين أن أكثر ما قدمناه في الباب قبله من عقائد هذه الطائفة الرافضة على اختلاف أصنافها كفر صريح، وعناد، مع جهل قبيح لا يتوقف الواقف عليه من تكفيرهم والحكم عليهم بالمروق من دين الإسلام"


    "It is not hidden from anyone who possesses insight and understanding from amongst the Muslims that most of what we have discussed previously from the topic of the beliefs of this group, the Rafidah, along with their various groupings, is clear disbelief (kufr) and stubborn rejection along with disgraceful ignorance. The careful one will not hesitate in takfir of them and judging them to have become apostates from the Religion of Islam.”

    (Risalah fi-Radd 'alal-Rafidah, p. 200)
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    Default Re: Sunni View on Shia/Rawafid?

    Assalamu Alaykum

    I have a question regarding Ismaili Shias. They're aqidah is somewhat similar to the rawafid I think. Are they faasiqs/non-muslim? Jazakallah
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    Assalamu Alaykum

    I have a question regarding Ismaili Shias. They're aqidah is somewhat similar to the rawafid I think. Are they faasiqs/non-muslim? Jazakallah


    Actually they are far worse then Twelvers Shi'ah in the filthy 'aqidah of theirs!


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    @ umar_italy-Jazakallah Khayran brother!!!!!!!!!
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