Sunni view on Shiah - Rawafid - Twelvers?

[Mubid al-Majus]

Actually they are far worse then Twelvers Shi'ah in the filthy 'aqidah of theirs!

And the scholars unanimously believe that they are out of the fold of Islam.

[maneatinglizard]

@ umar_italy-Jazakallah Khayran brother!!!!!!!!!

I believe they don't even pray, but instead follow their current leader in whatever he desires.

The Druze came from them, as far as I'm aware.

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

Verdict of Ibn Hazam

He writes,

فإن الروافض ليسوا من المسلمين إنما هي فرق حدث أولها بعد موت النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم بخمس وعشرين سنة وكان مبدؤها إجابة من خذله الله تعالى لدعوة من كاد الإسلام وهي طائفة تجري مجرى اليهود والنصارى في الكذب والكفر

"Verily the Rawafid are not from Islam and they are a sect that’s beginning originates about twenty five years after the demise of Holy Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace). Their origin was in the acceptance of the invitation of the one Allah had disgraced ['Abd Allah ibn Saba]; the one who made evil plans against Islam. They are a sect that is equated to the Jews and Christians in their lies and deceit."

(Al-Fasal fi al-Milal, 2:65)

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

Verdict of Imam Abu Zar'ah

He (d: 264H) said,

إذا رأيت الرجل ينتقص أحداً من أصحاب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فاعلم أنه زنديق

"If you see anyone degrade any of the Companions of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), know that he is a disbeliever (zindiq)."

(Al-Assabah, 1:10; Al-Kifayah, p.49)

Imam Abu Zar'ah was one of the teachers of Imam Muslim.

(may Allah have mercy on them)

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

Verdict of Mulla 'Ali Qari

Mulla Ali Qari (may Allah have mercy on him) wrote extensively refuting Shias. He writes at one place,

قلت وهذا في غير حق الرافضة الخارجة في زماننا فإنهم يعتقدون كفر أكثر الصحابة فضلا عن سائر أهل السنة والجماعة فهم كفرة بالإجماع بلا نزاع

"According to me, this is not the case with the Rawafid who emerged in our time, since they believe that most of the Sahabah were kafir let alone the Ahl al-Sunnah wal Jam’ah, as they [Rawafid] are kafir unanimously (ijma') without any dissent."

(Mirqat, 9:137)

He also stated,

ولو انكر خلافة الشيخين يكفر اقول وجهه انها ثبتت بالاجماع من غير النزاع

"If anyone rejects Sayyiduna Abu Bakar and Sayyiduna 'Umar's (may Allah be pleased with them) khilafah, he would be considered a kafir. The reason for this is that their khilafah was established through consensus (ijma') without any dispute."

(Sharah Fiqh al-Akbar, p.198)

And he said,

"A wali cannot reach the status of a prophet. This is because the prophets are: (1) sinless (ma’sum), (2) protected from an evil death, (3) honored with revelation to the extent that their dreams are also revelations, (4) they are able to see angels, and (5) commanded to propagate the injunctions [of Allah]. That which has been narrated regarding the Karramiyyah that it is possible for a wali to be superior to a prophet is kufr, astrayness, heresy and ignorance."

(From Shias and Sunnis, The Difference -Dr. 'Allamah Khalid Mahmud)

[Sulaiman84]

I was just reading a book in the masjid on Taqleed by Mufti Afzal Husein Ilyas and he was explaining how the rawafid don't believe in ijma' of Sahaabah and Qiyas,. In the book examples were given how ijma' and qiyas were used with the khulafaa Raashideen

Snap, their dhalaalah is becoming clearer and clearer.

[IslamicChamper]

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah

Amazing thread..was good reading all the way...

Im a former Shia....left shia Islam (Twelfer Shia Imam) after many years as devoted Shia...I have been a vitness to very much wrong teachings and wrong behaviers.

During my last years as Shia, I began to investigate all these mistakes and I keept turning back to my Sunni Books, should mention that I was sunni when I came to Islam.

What I have and had difficult by understanding, is that the major Mufti's or Sheikh's rarely talks about this issue of wrong teachings and wrong sect.

For a new Muslim or revert it is very difficult if you are trapped inside a group of Shia's before you actually know about Islam in general.

Any Im back, practicying Sunnah of the Prophet, salallahu alaihi wasallam...foremost living by Quran.

Thanks for this wonderfull thread..

Wa salam

[Ahmad_shakeel]

Assalam o alaykum,

The word 'Rafidi' can be traced back to Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace).

Sayyiduna Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) narrates from Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace),

قال رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏يظهر في آخر الزمان قوم يسمون ‏ ‏الرافضة ‏ ‏يرفضون الإسلام

"In later times a nation will appear [with all its pomp] known as Rawafid and they will leave ['usul and furu] of Islam." (Musnad Ahmad, 1:103)

Sayyiduna 'Abd Allah ibn Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) narrates,

كنت مع النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم وعنده علي فقال النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم : يا علي سيكون في أمتي قوم ينتحلون حب أهل البيت لهم نبز يسمون الرافضة قاتلوهم فإنهم مشركون -
رواه الطبراني وإسناده حسن

"I was with Holy Prophet and Sayyiduna Ali was also present there and Holy Prophet said, 'O Ali, soon a nation will appear who will claim the love of Ahl al-Bayt and they will be known as Rawafid, do qital against them as they will be mushriks." (Narrated by Tabarani and Majma al-Zawaid, 1:22 with a sound chain)

31638 - عن علي قال : يخرج في آخر الزمان قوم لهم نبز يقال لهم الرافضة يعرفون به ينتحلون شيعتنا وليسوا من شيعتنا وآية ذلك أنهم يشتمون أبا بكر وعمر أينما أدركتموهم فاقتلوهم فإنهم مشركون ( اللالكائي )

"Sayyiduna Ali narrated that a nation will emerge and they will be known as Rawafid; they will claim to be from our group, but in reality they will not be from us; their sign will be that they will abuse Sayyiduna Abu Bakr and Umar..." (Kanz al-Amal, 11:440)

There are similar narrations narrated in Musnad Abu Yala, Bazzar, Tabarani, Majma al-Zawaid , Kazn al-Amal , and Sawaiq al-Muhriqah, from various Sahabah such as Sayyidah Fatimah bint Muhammad and Umm Salmah (may Allah be pleased with them).

In the narration below their sign is that they will criticize the early Muslims (Sahabah).

وعن أم سلمة قالت : كانت ليلتي وكان النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم عندي فأتته فاطمة فسبقها علي فقال له النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم : " يا علي أنت وأصحابك في الجنة إلا أنه ممن يزعم أنه يحبك أقوام يرفضون الإسلام ثم يلفظونه يقرؤون القرآن لا يجاوز تراقيهم لهم نبز يقال لهم : الرافضة فإن أدركتهم فجاهدهم فإنهم مشركون " . قلت : يا رسول الله ما العلامة فيهم ؟ قال : " لا يشهدون جمعة ولا جماعة ويطعنون على السلف الأول "

: كنز العمال في سنن الأقوال والأفعال المؤلف : علي بن حسام الدين المتقي الهندي (11/440)
- عن علي قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم : يا علي ألا أدلك على عمل إذا فعلته كنت من أهل الجنة - وإنك من أهل الجنة - ؟ إنه سيكون بعدي أقوام يقال لهم الرافضة فإن أدركتهم فاقتلهم فإنهم مشركون قال علي : سيكون بعدنا أقوام ينتحلون مودتنا يكونون علينا مارقة وآية ذلك أنهم يسبون أبا بكر وعمر ( خيثمة بن سليمان الأطرابلسي في فضائل الصحابة اللالكائي في السنة )

وعن ابن عباس عن النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم قال يكون في آخر الزمان قوم ينبزون الرافضة يرفضون الإسلام ويلفظونه قاتلوهم فإنهم مشركون رواه أبو يعلى والبزار والطبراني ورجاله وثقوا وفي بعضهم خلاف

(وأخرج) الذهبي عن ابن عباس مرفوعا (يكون في آخر الزمان قوم يسمون الرافضة يرفضون الإسلام فاقتلوهم فإﻧﻬم مشركون).

- وعن علي بن أبي طالب قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم : يظهر في آخر الزمان قوم يسمون الرافضة يرفضون الإسلام

وعن فاطمة بنت محمد قالت : نظر النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم إلى علي فقال : هذا في الجنة وإن من شيعته يلفظون الإسلام يرفضونه لهم نبز يسمون الرافضة من لقيهم فليقتلهم فإنهم مشركون
رواه الطبراني ورجاله ثقات إلا أن زينب بنت علي لم تسمع من فاطمة فيما أعلم والله أعلم

Imam Muhammad ibn Battah (d: 387H / may Allah have mercy on him) quotes in his Al-Ibanah al Kubra, hadith from Abu Ali bin Ismail bin Abbas al-Warraaq who said: Hassan bin Muhammad bin as-Sabaah Zafarani narrated to me that Shabbabah said, that Sawadah bin Salamah said that ‘Abd Allah bin Qays said, “A group of Christians came to Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) and at the head of them was a major scholar of the Jews. So the leader said: ‘You debate about how many groups the Jews split into?’ He said: “Into seventy one sects”. And Ali said: ‘And this Ummah will split into similar to that, and the most deviated and evil sect of them: the ones who call to us (Ahl al Bayt), and a sign of them is that they insult Abu Bakr and ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with them).

Scan from Al-Ibanah al Kubra:

[Ahmad_shakeel]

Assalam o alaykum,

Difference between ‘Shia’ & ‘Rafidi’

‘Allamah Sarfaraz Khan Safdar (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in Irshad al-Shia that one of the main reason for some scholars hesitation in takfir of Shi’as in due to the fact that ‘Shia’ and ‘Rafidi had different connotation over the centuries. The word ‘Shia’ had different meaning according to Mutaqaddimin while Muta’akhirin used it in different sense. Let alone laymen, many scholars are not even aware of this difference and this can lead them to confusion when they come across different rulings regarding Shi’as.

Hafiz ibn Hajar (may Allah have mercy on him) writes,

تهذيب التهذيب 1:56 ابن حجر
فالتشيع في عرف المتقدمين هو اعتقاد تفضيل علي على عثمان وأن عليا كان مصيبا في حروبه وأن مخالفه مخطئ مع تقديم الشيخين وتفضيلهماالى قوله وأما التشيع في عرف المتأخرين فهو الرفض المحض فلا تقبل رواية الرافضي الغالي ولا كرامة

“So, tashayyu’ according to the earlier scholars (Mutaqaddimin) is to believe that Sayyiduna Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) is superior to Sayyiduna Usman (may Allah be pleased with him) and that Sayyiduna Ali was rightful in his wars while his opponents were on wrong, whereas they regard Shaykhayn (Sayyiduna Abu Bakr and Sayyiduna Umar, may Allah be pleased with them) superordinate and superior ... but according to the latter scholars, tashayyu’ is pure rifd, so the tradition of extremist Rafidi will not be accepted and he will not be given any regard.” (Tahzib al-Tahzib, 1:56)

And Imam Jalal al-Din Suyuti (may Allah have mercy on him) writes,

تدريب الراوى 1:253 جلال الدين السيوطي
وقد صرح بذلك الذهبي في « الميزان » ، فقال : البدعة على ضربين صغرى كالتشيع بلا غلو ، أو بغلو ، كمن تكلم في حق من حارب علياً ، فهذا كثير في التابعين وتابعيهم مع الدين والورع والصدق ، فلو رد حديث هؤلاء لذهب جملة من الآثار النبوية ، وهذه مفسدة بينة ، ثم بدعة كبرى كالرفض الكامل والغلو فيه ، والحط على أبي بكر وعمر والدعاء إلى ذلك ، فهذا النوع لا يحتج بهم ولا كرامة

"Al-Dhahabi (may Allah have mercy on him) has written this in al-Mizan and said: bid’ah is of two types; smaller like tashayyu’ without extremism, or with extremism, like one who criticized those who fought Sayyiduna Ali. There were many such people in the tabi’in and their followers along with religiousness, piety and truthfulness. If their traditions are rejected, a good part of the Prophet’s (Allah bless him and give him peace) heritage will vanish, and this will be an open evil. The second one is greater bid’ah like complete rifd and resorting to extremism in this regard, to debase Sayyiduna Abu Bakr and Sayyiduna Umar and inviting to the same. So, these kinds of people will not be accepted and given any esteem.” (Tadrib al-Rawi, 1:253)

Shaykh Sarfaraz mentions from this we know that ‘Shi’as’ during the time of Salaf agreed with Ahl al-Sunnah wal Jamah on all matters of ‘usul and furu apart from giving preference to Sayyiduna Ali over Sayyiduna Usman but even this is bid’ah as it is against ijma of the Ummah. These people respected the Shaykhayn and they didn’t make takfir of Sayyiduna Muawiyyah (may Allah be pleased with him).

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[Ahmad_shakeel]

Assalam o alaykum,

Allamah Abdul Aziz Farharwi (d: 1300H / may Allah have mercy on him) writes in his Sharah of Sharah 'Aqaid of Allamah Saad al-Din Taftazani (d: 791H / may Allah have mercy on him):

وذكر بعض الاكابر ان الروافض شر من اليهود والنصارى فان اليهود على ان خير الامم اصحاب موسى والنصارى على ان خيرهم اصحاب عيسى والروافض ان شر الناس اصحاب محمد صلى اللّه عليه وسلم

"Some of the seniors ['ulama] have said that Rawafid are worse than Jews and Christians because Jews believe that Companions of Hadhrat Musa (may the peace of Allah be upon him) are superior than all the nations. And Christians believe that Companions of Hadhrat Isa (may the peace of Allah be upon him) are superior than all the nations. On the contrary, Rawafid believe that Companions of Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace) are worse of the people."

(Al-Nibras Sharah Sharah al-'Aqaid, p.304)

Imam Fakhr al-Din Razi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

نملة وادى النمل اعقل من الرافضى فانها قالت ادخلو امساكنكم لا يحطمنكم سليمان وجنوده وهم لا يشعرون فانها لم تجوز الظلم من اصحاب سليمان عمدا على النمل والروافض يعتقدون الظلم من اصحاب النبى اللّه على اهل بيت

"An ant from valley of the ants possesses more intellect than Rawafid. At the arrival of Hadhrat Sulayman (may the peace of Allah be upon him) and his army, she addressed her ants:

"O ants, enter your homes before Hadhrat Sulayman and his army might crush you unintentionally."

Look, here an ant doesn't believe that companions of Sulayman will oppress even an ant intentionally. Contrary to this, Rawafid hold the belief of intentional oppression from the Companions of Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace) towards the Ahl al-Bayt [of Sayyiduna Muhammad]."

[Al-Nibras Sharah Sharah al-'Aqaid, p.304 - Allamah Abdul Aziz Farharwi]

Shias descended from Jews - Shaykh Jailani

Assalam o alaykum,

Sayyid al-Taifa Shaykh Abd al-Qadir Jailani (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in Ghuniyat al-Talibin, p.231,

1. There are many similarities between the madhab of Jews and Rawafid. Imam al-Sha’bi (d: 105H / may Allah have mercy on him) said, calamity of Jews is the calamity of Rawafid and vice versa. Jews believe that imamat is only in the progeny of Sayyiduna Dawud (may the peace of Allah be upon him) and Rawafid say that imamat is only in the progeny of Sayyiduna Ali (may Allah be pleased with him).

2. Jews claim that there is no jihad until the appearance of Masih Dajjal while Rawafid claim that there is no jihad until the coming of Sayyiduna Mahdi.

3. Jews delay the Maghrib Salat and so do the Rawafid.

4. Jews stay away from the Qibla, and so do the Rawafid and they call out loud during Salat, and let their clothes hanging low in Salat. (Sadl – below ankles – Our Traditionalist brethren should take heed from this)

5. Jew allow spilling the blood of the Muslims, so do the Rawafid.

6. Jews say there is no idah for women and so do the Rawafid. Jews say that three talaqs are nothing and so do Rawafid. (Our Ghayr Muqallid brethren should take heed from this)

7. Jewish people distorted the Torah and the Rawafid distorted the Qur'an because they say the Qur'an is changed and distorted, they read it in impermissible ways and say that there are additions in it.

8. And a group among them shows enmity towards Sayyiduna Gabriel (may the peace of Allah be upon him) like the Jews.

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