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    Question When did Prophet (saw) learn to read and write

    Narrated Al-Bara:
    When the Prophet intended to perform 'Umra in the month of Dhul-Qada, the people of Mecca did not let him enter Mecca till he settled the matter with them by promising to stay in it for three days only. When the document of treaty was written, the following was mentioned: 'These are the terms on which Muhammad, Allah's Apostle agreed (to make peace).' They said, "We will not agree to this, for if we believed that you are Allah's Apostle we would not prevent you, but you are Muhammad bin Abdullah." ..

    The Prophet said, "I am Allah's Apostle and also Muhammad bin Abdullah." Then he said to Ali, "Rub off (the words) 'Allah's Apostle' ", but Ali said, "No, by Allah, I will never rub off your name." So, Allah's Apostle took the document and wrote, 'This is what Muhammad bin Abdullah has agreed upon:..........................

    Volume 3, Book 49, Number 863
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    Assalaamu alaikum,

    This isn't the whole hadith but just part of it, my question is regarding the bit where it says "so Allah's apostle took the document and wrote....." I know Muhammad (saw) was unlettered, and according to this hadith he obviously learnt how to read and write,I wanted to find out when he learnt to read and write (what stage of his life) was the Quran still being revealed at the time and who taught him ?

    ps. I don't know how to make text bold since the forum has changed can someone help me with this.


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    Illiterate sounds a bit disrespectful. He is generally refered as Unlettered.




    for pointing this out I have changed it to unlettered, although I have seen him (saw) described as illiterate in many books, but it does sound pretty disrespectfull now that you have mentioned it.

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    Default Re: When did Prophet (saw) learn to read and write

    Quote Originally Posted by ILM seeker View Post
    So, Allah's Apostle took the document and wrote, 'This is what Muhammad bin Abdullah has agreed upon:..........................
    from which web are you quoting? was it direct from the bukhari kitab? i doubt so, cause the story is different if i remember correctly.

    in the al-Hudaybiyah Treaty, the prophet (pbuh) did not write the treaty, but his cousin `Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) was the writer. While writing the treaty, Suhail ibn `Amr [Quraish side] rejected that the prophet would have his name signed as the messenger or apostle of Allah (rasoulu Allah).

    Sohail asked to have it changed to “Muhammad, son of Abdullah”. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) then asked `Ali to omit rasoulu Allah, which means the messenger of Allah. Yet, Ali did not like the idea of omitting it and said: “By Allah I swear I will never omit rasoulu Allah!” Thus, the prophet himself - with his thumb - omitted rasoulu Allah.

    One part of the story, which the Orientalists usually – deliberately - do not mention, is the fact that when `Ali refused to omit rasoulu Allah, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said to `Ali: “show it to me.” After `Ali showed it to him, the prophet omitted it.

    If the Prophet (peace be upon him) could read then why did he need Ali to point it out to him? (Refer to Saheeh Muslim, Book 019, Number 4403)
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    Quote Originally Posted by streetwalker View Post
    from which web are you quoting? was it direct from the bukhari kitab? i doubt so, cause the story is different if i remember correctly.

    in the al-Hudaybiyah Treaty, the prophet (pbuh) did not write the treaty, but his cousin `Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) was the writer. While writing the treaty, Suhail ibn `Amr [Quraish side] rejected that the prophet would have his name signed as the messenger or apostle of Allah (rasoulu Allah).

    Sohail asked to have it changed to “Muhammad, son of Abdullah”. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) then asked `Ali to omit rasoulu Allah, which means the messenger of Allah. Yet, Ali did not like the idea of omitting it and said: “By Allah I swear I will never omit rasoulu Allah!” Thus, the prophet himself - with his thumb - omitted rasoulu Allah.

    One part of the story, which the Orientalists usually – deliberately - do not mention, is the fact that when `Ali refused to omit rasoulu Allah, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said to `Ali: “show it to me.” After `Ali showed it to him, the prophet omitted it.

    If the Prophet (peace be upon him) could read then why did he need Ali to point it out to him? (Refer to Saheeh Muslim, Book 019, Number 4403)
    Brother i got the hadith form this site: http://www.sahaba.net/modules.php?na...rticle&sid=249

    it was recommended to me by one of the brothers on this site and it looks pretty legit...
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    Default Re: When did Prophet (saw) learn to read and write

    I heard an Alim relate this hadith and he also mentioned that Prophet SAW asked Ali RA to show him SAW where Ali RA wrote his SAW name. And then he SAW either told Ali RA to cross it out or he SAW put his thumb on that word.

    Also, as a general rule of thumb, one should always be suspect of English translations of hadith or Quran. There is so much lost in translation i.e. loss of meaning, grammatical errors, etc.


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    By Shaykh GF Haddad:

    How do you explain the hadith in which the Mohamad requests something to write with (Bukhari vol. IV, no.393) when he is supposed to be illiterate?

    Ummi means "unlettered," which is different, although the majority of the Ulema agree that it also means illiterate in the secondary sense. However, this illiterateness precludes neither the possibility of a miracle (mu`jiza) of the Prophet at that particular event; nor the possibility that he may have learned to read and write certain words in time, among them his own name and the Basmala! Here is the hadith:

    "When the Prophet decided to accomplish the Minor Pilgrimage in the month of Dhu al-Qi'da, the Meccans refused to grant him permission to enter Makka until he stipulated to them that he would not stay for more than three days. After they wrote the treaty, they wrote: 'This is what Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah, has stipulated.' They said: 'We do not acknowledge that you are so. If we knew that you were the Messenger of Allah, we would not prohibit anything to you. However, you are Muhammad ibn 'Abd Allah.' He said: 'I am the Messenger of Allah and Muhammad ibn 'Abd Allah.' Then he said to 'Ali ibn Abi Talib - Allah be well-pleased with him: 'Erase {the Messenger of Allah}.' 'Ali said: No, by Allah! I will never ever erase you! (lâ wallâhi lâ amhűka abadâ!)." Whereupon the Messenger of Allah took the treaty - he did not excel at writing (laysa yuhsinu yaktubu) - and wrote: 'This is what Muhammad ibn 'Abd Allah has stipulated: He shall not bring any weapon into Makka except sheathed swords; he shall not leave it with any of its dwellers even if they wish to follow him; and he shall not prevent any of his Companions from residing in it if he so wishes.'

    Narrated from al-Bara' ibn 'Azib by al-Bukhari, Ahmad, and al-Darimi. Muslim narrates it in shorter form. The words "the Messenger of Allah took the treaty and wrote" have been interpreted by the scholars to mean: "had someone write." Al-Dhahabi considered that he only wrote his name in the above hadith, and mentions that some scholars said that he wrote the entire text as a mu'jiza on his part. Some, like the great Maliki Imam Abu al-Walid al-Baji, considered that the Prophet wrote it himself and defended his view in his book Tahqiq al-Madhhab.

    The claim (by Dr. Syed Abdul Latif in his article "Was the Prophet Unlettered?" in The Muslim World published by the late Dato Syed Ibrahim Omar Alsagoff) whereby Anas would take out his note-books and say: "These are the traditions which I had heard from the Prophet and *submitted for his perusal*" is a mistranslation of Anas's related words qara'nâ 'alayh, qara'tu 'alayh, 'aradnâ 'alayh, all of which mean the act of *reading outloud* for those present to hear. See the narrations adduced by al-Khatib in Taqyid al-'Ilm ("The Fettering of Knowledge") (p. 95 lines 9, 17, and 24; p. 96 l. 6) and in al-Hakim al-Tirmidhi's chapter entitled "Writing is the means to fetter knowledge and preserve it from oblivion" in his Nawadir al-Usul (p. 39-41).

    As for the difference of opinion among the Companions concerning the Prophet's prohibition or permission of writing other than the Qur'an, the best word is perhaps al-Dhahabi's statement in the chapter of 'Abd Allah ibn 'Amr ibn al-'As in the Siyar (4:258): "He wrote a lot of material with the Prophet's permission and his special dispensation for 'Abd Allah while he generally disliked for the Companions to write other than the Qur'an from him. Later, consensus formed, following the difference of views among the Companions, pertaining to the permissibility and desirability of fettering knowledge with writing."
    [http://www.livingislam.org/fiqhi/fiqha_e54.html]


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