For Those Promoting Unity: Sunni Scholars Labeled as Nasibis

[Ahmad_shakeel]

but who is promoting unity....those behind amman message? shiakh faraz rabbani..? tahir ul qadri and other people...
thy love shia so much?

[yezeed]

All the big groups such as jamaat islami , lashkar- e - taiba , H.T. are all calling for unity with pseudo-religious gangsters , i never heard OBL (if he is alive) once criticize iran , no wonder we are in such a mess . The shia are so bold now they can ban doctor zakir naik from speaking in india and have banned sheikh muhammad al-arifi from entering kuwait without a squeak from the uimmah , imagine if the qadianis started banning people from speaking ? Since when did the minority have the authority to ban the majority ? It is pathetic !

[Ahmad_shakeel]

who is promoting unity....those behind amman message? shiakh faraz rabbani..? tahir ul qadri and other people...
thy love shia so much?

...anyone?

[Sufi_Taliban]

...anyone?

Faraz Rabbani is on my Facebook, he added a news article about rawafid getting blown up and that this is not rite etc....i said Rawafid are all Kuffar and he said it is not true. Some other guy quoted the infamous Amman document. I presented evidence from the books of Fatwa from the scholars of the highest eminence from all centuries of Islam including Mujadideen like Shah Wali Allah(ar), Shaikh Ahmed Sirhindi(ar) etc to Faraz Rabbani and i challenged him to quote me one scholar of Islam who is accepted amongst the ahlus Sunnah Wa Jamat who calls them Muslim. And he didnt answer back. i saw the amman document and i saw Hamza yusuf in it and his shaikh Abdullah bin bayyah.

What i dont understand is, myself who knows very little about islam knows that if someone differs with us in our Usool e Deen then he is a Kaffir. And then one who Slanders Ayesha(ra) is a Kaffir, One who disagrees with the Caliphate of Abu Bakr(ra) and Umar(ra) is a Kaffir. How is it then that these scholars go around saying and agreeing to stuff not accepted by anyone in Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamah.

[umar_italy]

Faraz Rabbani is on my Facebook, he added a news article about rawafid getting blown up and that this is not rite etc....i said Rawafid are all Kuffar and he said it is not true. Some other guy quoted the infamous Amman document. I presented evidence from the books of Fatwa from the scholars of the highest eminence from all centuries of Islam including Mujadideen like Shah Wali Allah(ar), Shaikh Ahmed Sirhindi(ar) etc to Faraz Rabbani and i challenged him to quote me one scholar of Islam who is accepted amongst the ahlus Sunnah Wa Jamat who calls them Muslim. And he didnt answer back. i saw the amman document and i saw Hamza yusuf in it and his shaikh Abdullah bin bayyah.

Once I commented something like "may Allah have mercy on kuffar??" to a post of him in which he prayed for Allah's maghfirah on Rawafid died in some blowing up. My comment has been deleted. ;-)

[TripolySunni]

...anyone?

Salam Aleykum,

I'am the guy you're looking for

[Haaji_Abubakr]

. . . he added a news article about rawafid getting blown up and that this is not rite etc....i said Rawafid are all Kuffar and he said it is not true.

So when you said "rawafid all kuffar" what did you mean exactly? When I read that line it seems like implying that because you think they're kuffar it's permissible for them to be blown up. When did it be okay for non-Muslims to just be randomly blown up?

[DefendingIslam]

I think it is imperative not to use the term "Rawafid" with Twelvers Shias for the following: As per our definitions, Twelver Shias are not only Rawafid, but they are also Ghulat, extremist heretics. For example, they believe that their Twelve Imams have a higher position than all Prophets except for Muhammad (Salla Allahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) [I know this is a matter of difference of opinion among them, but all Shia 'Aalims hold that such an issue is a matter of Ijtihad]. Also, they do not consider the soundness of the text of the Quran nor the soundness of its arrangement to be essential parts of their religion. These two things alone make them "Ghulat" in the definition of our scholars.

There are many other things of course, but I think only saying "Rawafid" is a bit light on them. Also consider that "cursing" of the Companions included just calling them words such as "stupid", "dumb", and so forth. However, the Twelvers have crossed all bounds and refer to them as disbelievers... the cursing comes later, and should not be very relevant to how we judge them, considering that they already hold the Companions to be Kuffar.

[TripolySunni]

So Fussak is a rank of Honor for them eh?

[Zubair]

There's no Ijma' on them being Kuffar; there's a reason why i deleted the post, the fact is there's difference, I personally consider them kuffar, my only point is have respect for the Ulema who you might disagree with.