Shaykh Muhammad Bin Yahya Al-Ninowy on praying behind Salafis

**Yaseen** · 05-05-2005, 01:33 PM

Salaam

I originally posted the link but it was blocked. In short he says it is not allowed to pray behind the anthropomorphists/tajsimi.

Wasalaam

**faqir** · 05-05-2005, 02:58 PM

Can you cut and paste the article here?

**Yaseen** · 05-05-2005, 04:10 PM

Asalamu'alykum

It was a very short audio clip.

Wasalaam

**muslim786** · 05-05-2005, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by faqir

Can you cut and paste the article here?

its on the yanabi site, which has been blocked by sunniforum due the deobarel bickering cycle.

**Hamood** · 06-05-2005, 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by muslim786

its on the yanabi site, which has been blocked by sunniforum due the deobarel bickering cycle.

I think sunniforum should ban mentioning "yanabi site" as well ...It indirectly sends suniforum members searching for yanabi on google..guess what? it takes them to that site which beats the purpose of blocking that url in the first place.

They are till today allowing disrespect of our deobandi ulema and maslak in general, this clearly shows their tolerance and approval of such atitudes. I say ban it completely until they change their ways.

**muslim786** · 06-05-2005, 04:34 AM

Originally Posted by sunnilink

I think sunniforum should ban mentioning "yanabi site" as well ...It indirectly sends suniforum members searching for yanabi on google..guess what? it takes them to that site which beats the purpose of blocking that url in the first place.

They are till today allowing disrespect of our deobandi ulema and maslak in general, this clearly shows their tolerance and approval of such atitudes. I say ban it completely until they change their ways.

They have changed their ways as a site in general with regards to the Ulama affiliated, however naturally you will get randoms mouthing off, as they do on this site too. And I do agree that the site can do more to stop this sort of thing happen, eg like the steps SF has taken where no discussion is allowed.
Your wanting of the blocking of the term yanabi is disturbing news. Have some respect, inshAllah.

Of course it distubring that groups within Ahle Sunnah Wal Jammah are figthing, the sooner the figthing people and quarrel mongerers realise their simlilarties, the better for all, what ever certain ignoramuses on all sides might say the differences are a lot more minute than anyone can think. Names and labels mean nothing what means something is beliefs and ideologies, call yourself wat you want, you will only be judged on the practices and realites of the words, ie semantics.

The mods on SF have every right to block any urls they think unjust or troublesome, and I support their decision as it is sound and thought out, however I would not accept a banning of the term yanabi, ok a mod can snip sentences where yanabi is used to mention the yanabi site but to ban the use of Yanabi is too extreme.

**Hamood** · 06-05-2005, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by muslim786

The mods on SF have every right to block any urls they think unjust or troublesome, and I support their decision as it is sound and thought out, however I would not accept a banning of the term yanabi, ok a mod can snip sentences where yanabi is used to mention the yanabi site but to ban the use of Yanabi is too extreme.

Ok I didn't say to ban the term Ya Nabi. Just to clarify my stance again, I did not say to ban the term Yanabi, its quite apparent from my post that I was referring to snipping sentences where yanabi is used to mentioned the ya**** site.

**muslim786** · 06-05-2005, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by sunnilink

Ok I didn't say to ban the term Ya Nabi. Just to clarify my stance again, I did not say to ban the term Yanabi, its quite apparent from my post that I was referring to snipping sentences where yanabi is used to mentioned the ya**** site.

sorry for the misunderstanding bro, i see your point and it is justified.

**Omar HH** · 08-05-2005, 02:23 AM

http://media.***********:8181/ramgen...003.05.2005.rm

**AbdulQader_ Quadri** · 15-11-2005, 11:18 PM

Salam all,

This is the last time I write on here, but I felt an obligation to say something that really hurts. Of course, I was banned by the moderators because of my defense of the truth. it was never personal, this is the deen of Allah.

Anyways, I guess they are allowing me restricted access and restricted reply, so I will write this, and hopefully won't see me again.

The respected brother who wrote the title that Shaykh Al-Ninowy prohibits praying behind Salafi's?!!
Though I am sure the brother is a fine brother, and has the best intention, may Allah bless him and give him Tawfiq, but it is simply an error.
Hazrat Shaykh Al-Ninowy (DB) never, ever, at anytime, place, or occasion, mentioned one cannot pray behind Salafi's. He only uses (Mujassimah=Anthropomorphists). Simply stated, anthropomorphists (mujassimah) are not Muslims, hence one cannot pray behind them. That is not to be generalized to all those who call themselves Wahhabi's. As many who call themselves that way, are simply blind imitators and do not participate to beliefs of Anthropomorphism. Besides, as the Shaykh himself mentioned: "many of (as he calls them) radical non-sunni Hanbali's though may have exited the circle of Ahlus Sunnah, yet are not entirely Mujassimah or purely anthropomorphsits". Hence, are Muslims with Bid'a, and islamic law is applicable on them just like anybody else.

The term Salafi is never used by the Shaykh ( ask those students close to him), as he describes himself Salafi, and the Maslak of Ahlus Sunnah, as the Salafi Maslak..
So please differentiate between Salafi's and Anthropomorphism. It is sometimes lethal to attribute to good groups of Muslims a fabrication or a lie.

Now, as for the sister who has the name :shareefa which puts on a different thread the following:
"There are many people who have tried to brainwash me against muawaiya ra, i remember going to a lecture/circle a while ago by yahya ninowy where he was blatantly dissing muawiya and the people who helped him, which inadvertently included aisha ra and many other blessed sahabis. ".

And others who are working diligently to defame a deeply rooted scholar from the deeply rooted tree of knowledge, like Shaykh Al-Ninowy (DB), who learned more than just a few years, taking some from here and there!!

I can say, and Allah is my witness, that the sister isone of two things:
1- either totally ignorant and unable to understand spoken language, in that case may Allah forgive her and facilitate a way for her to learn.

2- She is delibrately lying and distorting the truth. In which case, she will face not only Shaykh Sayyed Al-Ninowy, but also his fathers and grandfathers in the day of Judgment, in the court of Allah.

I did not think I need to refute such filthy accusations and dignify them with an answer, but it seems like some people have decided to slaughter the Shaykh here without the mere simple act of verification....!
The Shaykh has never, ever, (dissed) Muawiyah -Nauthu billah- or anybody with him, let along the high maqam of Mawlatuna Hazrat Assayida Aisha Assidiqah bint Assidiqq, radiya'Allahu Ta'ala anha wa ardaha.
If you go back to the threat I refuted with "sunnilink" for tarnishing the name of Hazrat Syed Al-Ninowy, you will see clearly what Syed Al-Ninowy wrote in his books and teaches. In Summary: "anyone who insults Muawiyah (ra), cusses him, uses profanoty against him, is marking himself with the sign of Nifaaq".

Secondly: I challenge the sister to produce a recording of such malicious statement, which she will be accountable for in the day of Judgment, without a doubt.
As everyone knows, all the lectures of Syed Al-Ninowy (DB) are recorded. Yet, we as people who attend them all the time, have never heard such a thing from him.

Thridly: She makes it ( along with the rest of this kind of people) as it is a habbit for Hazrat Syed Al-Ninowy (DB) to elucidate about this topic, when Syed Al-Ninowy clearly PROHIBITS indulging in this topic for non student-scholars, and for the sake of learning only, and firmly instructs not to discuss it with laymen, as per the Maslak of Ahlus Sunnah.

Fouth: If she was present that one day about 3 years ago, when it all started. Thats when a group of Radical non-sunni hanbali's came to the masjid and ask the Shaykh in public about the war between Ali and Muawiyah, and what is the opinion on Muawiyah.
The Shaykh, and all of us knew exactly, what they wanted ( may Allah guide them). And the Shaykh's response was (as always): "Muawiyah transgresssed againt Ali, it is an error in judgment in fighting Ali, so did all who fought Ali. A error that does not take out of Islam, nor allows anybody to cuss, insults, belittles Muawiyah. Anyone who cusses, insults, uses profanity against Muawiyah or anybody else is marking themselves with the sign of hypocracy".

Now, surely some creative minds can twist this a lot, and thats what happened from that point on.

I say this, and my heart cries and my eyes water, as how can some commit such a blatent "zulm" injustice, against such purified people, without the simple task of verification from them directly.

Of course, we understand the motivation from others, but we do expect people who claim to follow the Sunnah (in verification and other), to actually practice what they claim to believe.

It hurts especially when it comes from people who are Maturidi's, Hanafi's, and Sufi's... this just brings water to my eyes and hurts very deeply.
Then other try to classify the Shaykh on the two indian schools ( deobandi's and bralwi's) while the Shaykh himself, if you were to ask him today, he would tell you that he is an arab and is not familiar with the exact codes of these two schools. He judges groups based on their Maturidi'/Ash'ari aqeedah, Fiqh, and Tasawuff, not on which school they were educated in.

May Allah purify our hearts, minds, and souls to seek the truth, learn the truth, and then give us the courage to follow and adhere the truth when we see it,
wassalamu Alaykum