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    FINAL REFUTATION OF AGA KHANI ISMAILIS AND THE SHIRK INFESTATION TAKEN FROM ARTICLE:



    Four faces that Islamilis (Aga Khanis) face daily while praying
    "Being a former Ismaili for more than fifty years, I have visited hundreds of Ismaili Jamatkhanas (restricted places of Congregations), in different parts of the world. Until 1980's there were, some as big as life-size, colored photos of Karim Aga Khan on all the four walls of the Prayer Halls in each and every Jamatkhana. Every Ismaili (man or woman) had but to FACE the Photo of his/her Beloved Spiritual Father and Mother -- Karim Aga Khan, while reciting the three Daily Prayers.

    Today, there are only two small photographs on the two side walls. Hence, an Ismaili will tell you with a firm voice and absolute confidence:

    "It is a LIE. We DO NOT FACE the photos of Aga Khan, while we recite our Du'a (Ismaili Prayer) in Jamatkhanas."


    The Four faces and designated titles:
    Here are the Specially Designated Titles of to whom the Congregation FACES everyday and every night, while praying in the Jamatkhanas, instead of the Qiblah. The word Qiblah means; The direction the Muslims face when performing their daily Salah "ritual prayer", the Ka'bah in Mekkah. See Qur'an 2:150.

    MUKHI SAHEB
    KAMADIA SAHEB
    MUKHIYANI MA
    KAMADIYANI MA

    FOUR PERSONALITIES are directly APPOINTED for a specific term, by Karim Aga Khan. During their Terms of Office they, ON BEHALF OF HAZAR IMAM (KARIM AGA KHAN)

    FACE THE CONGREGATION
    during all the religious ceremonies and prayers
    BLESS THE FOLLOWERS
    in the name of SHAH-PIR (Karim Aga Khan)
    FORGIVE THEIR SINS
    by sprinkling the Holy Water on their Faces
    COLLECT CASH
    Collect donations, Zakat (Dasond), etc., without giving any receipt
    PERFORM MARRIAGES
    in lieu of the Islamic Nikah Ceremonies, the couples Prostrate to them and receive their Blessings

    ALL THE ABOVE ACTS ARE PERFORMED SITTING IN FRONT OF THE CONGREGATION.
    In the past I have executed these duties, except for the last one. May Allah (SWT) Forgive my past sins... I thank Allah (SWT) for opening my eyes, ears, heart and this web site of mine.


    May He Guide those who are facing **FOUR FACES** and reading this article.

    Prayer of the Islamilis (Aga Khanis)

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The "BATINI" & "ZAHERI" Muslims:
    The Agakhani Ismailis do not recite the obligatory ritual Islamic Prayer (Arabic; Salaah - Persian; Namaz ), five times a day. In lieu thereof, Ismailis recite in their Jamatkhanas a ritual prayer called "Holy Du'a", three times a day. Ismaili Jamatkhanas are closed during the noon hours, even on the Fridays. One does not hear the sound of universally recognized Islamic call to prayer (Adhan), emerging out of a Jamatkhana. The obligatory Islamic ritual of performing an ablution (Wadhu), before reciting a ritual prayer, is not a prerequisite for the Agakhani Ismailis. They consider themselves Momeenins or the Batini (esoteric) Muslims, who are absolved of the rituals of physical cleaning, as well as of physical fasting. The followers of Aga Khan firmly believe, they are a step above the rest of the Ummah (the Brotherhood of Muslims), who are regarded by them as the Shariyatis or the Zaheri (exoteric) Muslims. For a Shariyati Muslim, the physical rituals are of primary significance and of greater consequences than the inner most spiritual ones. Ismailis are advised by their elders to hide their inner practices and secret beliefs. Hence, ISMAILI Muslims are not allowed to enter their prayer halls. Ismailis are also told not to discuss their faith with other fellow Muslims. The reason being; the rest of the Ummah is not yet matured enough or ready to comprehend or digest their philosophy of Marifat (the highest level of spiritual understanding). The leaders are apprehensive that their Batini Ismaili community may be unjustly labeled as "the apostate" after such dialogues by their contenders or by everyday inquisitors, for the lack of their own knowledge and understanding for the inner values of true Islam.


    One Can Pray Facing Any Direction:
    Since Allah is every where, Agakhani Ismailis feel themselves totally comfortable reciting his/her Holy Du'a, facing any direction or even with their backs to the Ka'bah. Some of the recently constructed multi-million dollar Jamatkhanas in North America are so built that the main congregation has their backs facing Mecca. That need not necessarily be an act of deliberate anti Islamic or rebellious expressions for the Shariyati Laws. But, these designs have not been considered as "faulty planning" by Karim Aga Khan, his brother Amyn Muhammad and the members of the Aga Khan's committee who have endorsed the building plans, for these most modern Jamatkhanas.

    It is customary in each and every Jamatkhana that a row of Jamati (community) Leaders and the Title Holders (male and female), should sit facing the rest of the congregation, even while praying and prostrating. There would be a row of individuals, sitting with their backs to the side wall, in the male as well as the female section. Both these sections are kept side by side in one big hall. Hence, a row of males would face and prostrate that of the females and vice versa.

    Here is what the Holy Quran Declares as "the truth" on the subject of facing Qiblah while praying and also Reveals about those "who are bent on wickedness" by refusing to follow this Command, after having known it. If this does not prove that the Farmans of Aga Khan have supersede the Verses of the Holy Qur'an, in this Unique Tariqah of Islam, what can?

    Holy Qur'an 2:149 "From whencesoever thou startest forth turn thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque; that is indeed the truth from thy Lord. And Allah is not unmindful of what ye do."
    Holy Qur'an 2:150 "So from whencesoever thou startest forth turn thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque; among wheresoever ye are turn your face thither that there be no ground of dispute against you among the people except those of them that are bent on wickedness; so fear them not but fear Me; and that I may complete My favors on you and ye may (consent to) be guided."

    "...they Bow (Ruku) not down!" the Qur'an:
    The members of the 1.3 billion Islamic Ummah, begin their ritual prayers while standing in rows after rows, facing the direction of the Ka'bah (the Qiblah). Thereafter, they go into the Ruku (the Bowing position), and the Sujood (the Prostration). The members of the community of less than 1.3 million Batini Ismailis, recite their entire Holy Du'a - from the beginning to the end - in a sitting (the squatting) position on a carpeted floor. This Du'a has been ordained personally by the late Aga Khan and is rigidly adhered to. The Holy Qur'an Reveals; what is the Truth in this matter and who are "the Rejecters of Truth".

    O, ye who believe! Bow down (Ruku) and prostrate (Sujood) yourselves and worship your Lord.... Holy Qur'an 22:77
    Woe unto the Rejecters of Truth on that Day! and when it is said unto them: Bow down (Ruku), they bow not down. Qur'an 77:47

    Suggestion: While discussing any issue from my web page on the Ismaili Tariqah with an Ismaili, you may hear in response that the author has personal grudges or vendetta and a score to settle. Some may even go to the extend of falsely accusing me as; "the paid agent of the Wahabis". No Wahabi or any Muslim has paid me any money at any time. My reward is with Allah (swt). However, it is suggested that the above mentioned facts, which are so obvious and cannot be denied by any upright Ismaili, may be noted and presented as if they are from you rather than from me, to have better impact and not to be swayed from the main topic.

    "Shah-jo-Deedar" (Glimpse of Aga Khan)
    A Muslim, while in Ruku, recites: "Subhaanna Rabbiyal Azeem" (Glory to my Lord the Great) and "Subhaanna Rabbiyal Aala"
    (Glory to my Lord the Highest) in their Sujood. Ismailis do not recite the above two phrases. They glorify Hadrat Ali and his sword "Zulfiqar" in their Dua. They recite "La fata illa Ali la saifa illa Zulfiqar" ("There is no Hero except Ali, there is no sword except Zulfiqar"). An individual is meant to be in communication with his Creator in his ritual prayers. Are Ismailis trying to communicate to Allah (SWT) who was Ali?

    At the end of their Dua, Ismailis shake hands with the persons (male or female) sitting on either side of them, saying "Shah-jo-Deedar", meaning "May you have Deedar (Glimpse) of Shah (Hazar Imam - the Aga Khan)". Whereas, a Muslim worshipper turns his face to the right saying "Assalamu allai kum wa rahmattu Allah", meaning "Peace be upon you and Allah's mercy"; and then turns his face to the left saying the same words. Thereafter he raises his hands, seeks forgiveness, etc., etc., and concludes his prayers by reciting "Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds". The highest aspiration that a devout Ismaili harbors in his/her heart is to have the "Noorani/Ruhani Deedar" (Spiritual Glimpse) of their Mawla (Aga Khan) before his/her death. I have yet to meet an Ismaili who has had that fortune! I have met hundreds who have tried their level best to have that Glimpse, but with No Luck!

    Male or Female of any age can lead prayers:
    An individual of any gender and of any age, who has memorized the Du'a, can lead the Congregational Daily Prayer. In other words, any male or female child can become a Pesh Imam. This individual, irrespective of his or her age, would join the rank of the Title Holders and face the congregation. The multicolored photographs of their Hazar Imam - Karim Aga Khan, which only a couple of decades ago used to hang from all the four walls and the pillars of the prayer halls of the Ismailis Jamatkhanas, are now placed on the side walls. There are a few occasions when the special "guided tours" of the prestigious multi-million dollar modern Jamatkhanas are conducted. Usually these tours are for the State dignitaries and the media, but strictly during the off prayer hours. The multicolored photographs of Karim Aga Khan are quickly removed and placed in a drawer of the pulpit by the volunteers, while the tours are being conducted. Again, for not to be labeled
    "the apostates" by the media, for their lack of knowledge of the inexplicable inner spiritual values.

    Having practiced the Ismaili faith diligently for nearly half a century, I can vouch for the above facts. These are some of the reasons, why the admission to the Ismaili Jamatkhanas are RESTRICTED. These restrictions equally apply to members of the Islamic Ummah. The Agakhani Ismailis call themselves Muslims, but when it comes to standing "shoulder to shoulder" with their Brothers for the Daily Prayers, they part company and sit down in a secluded quarter and recite their own supererogatory prayer.

    Holy Dua is Supererogatory prayer, Declares the Ismailia Council (Pakistan):

    Every visitor to the Jamatkhana is asked to remove his or her shoes before entering the prayer hall of the Jamatkhana. Karim Aga Khan enters the prayer hall with his shoes on. He conducts the various religious ceremonies, such as, of forgiving the sins of his followers by sprinkling the Holy Water on their faces and whispering in their ears: "your sins are forgiven", with his shoes on. I know this with certainty, since he had whispered that in the ears of my wife and me.

    Recently in Pakistan, before the High Court of Sind at Karachi, it was declared by the Ismailia Council's President and Secretary that:

    "inherent right of devolution of ownership of Jamatkhanas
    (is) in the Imam. ...Jamatkhanas are not dedicated as Masjids (Mosques) ...(they are) additional places for religious practices, other than Masjids, for supererogatory prayers."
    Such a Declaration, before a Court of Law, demonstrates that the Islamic Mosques are the Houses of Allah (SWT), and the Ismaili Jamatkhanas are the Houses of the Aga Khans. The prayers that are recited in the"Houses of Allah" are the Obligatory Prayers, Commanded by Allah. The Holy Du'as that are recited in the "Ismaili Jamatkhanas owned by the Aga Khan" are Supererogatory Supplications, Commanded by the Aga Khan.
    The synonyms to be found in a dictionary for the legal/technical term "supererogatory" are; "superfluous, nonessential, uncalled-for"


    Dual Standards for the "New Dua":
    Over the period of nearly 1400 years, the Islamic Salaah and the Shahadah have not been revised. Within a period of half a century, I have observed the Ismaili Du'a and the Ismaili Shahadah, each being revised three times. The present Du'a in Arabic, replacing the old Du'a in Gujrati, was formulated and officially pronounced by the Farmans (Holy Commands) of the late Aga Khan in 1956. Since he was suffering from lumbago, sciatica and the cancer, he sent his grandson - the present Aga Khan, to introduce the "New Du'a" in the Eastern Africa. The "New Du'a" introduced officially in Africa had an ending:

    "al-Imamul haziril maujood li zikrihis sujood." meaning:
    "the present Imam, to whose name prostration is due."

    When the same "New Du'a" was introduced in the Islamic State of Pakistan,the above mentioned phrase was changed to read:

    "Allahumma laka sujoodi wa ta'ati." meaning:
    "O Allah, to Thee is my prostration."

    Again, the same old apprehension of being labeled "apostate" by those Pakistani Muslims, who the lack knowledge and true understanding of the inner Ismaili gnostic, which is not so easy to comprehend.

    Though it may sound strange, the Karim Aga Khan himself has never lead the Ismaili Du'a (new or old), or joined the congregation in any of the Ismaili Jamatkhana. He has often attended the Sunni Mosques and recited the customary Islamic Salaah, behind Sunni Pesh Imams. I am told that he was once asked to lead a Friday noon prayer, by an Imam of a Mosque in India, but he declined the offer. Several written requests from the Ismaili leaders and the everyday "Khane-goers", made to Karim Aga Khan in the last two decades, to re-introduce the Islamic Salaah which was originally being recited four to five generations ago by their ancestors, remain to this day "unacknowledged", which can be translated as "declined".

    Holy Dua of the Ismailis and it's Official Translation (Part I):

    BISMIL-LAHIR-RAHMANIR-RAHIM.

    ALHAMDU LIL-LAHI RAB-BIL-'ALAMIN; AR- RAHMANIR-RAHIM; MALIKI YAWMID-DIN. IY-YAKA
    NA'BUDU WA IY-YAKA NASTA'IN. IHDINAS- SIRATAL-MUSTAQIM. SIRATAL-LADHINA AN'AMTA 'ALAYHIM. GHAYRIL-MAGHDUBI 'ALAYHIM WA LAD-DAL-LIN.

    SAJADA WAJHI ILAYKA WA TAWAK-KALTU ALAYKA; MINKA QUW-WATI WA ANTA 'ISMATI YA RAB-BAL-'ALAMIN.

    AL-LAHUM-MA SAL-LI 'ALA MUHAM-MADINIL- MUSTAFA, WA 'ALA 'ALY-YINIL-MURTADA, WA ALAL-A-IM-MATIL-ATHAR. WA 'ALA HUJ-JATIL-AMRI SAHIBIZ-ZAMANI WAL-'ASRI IMAMINAL-HADIRIL- MAWJUD. MAWLANA SHAH KARIMIL-HUSAYNI.

    (In Prostration) AL-LAHUM-MA LAKA SUJUDI WA TA'ATI.

    Translation:

    In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.

    All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the worlds, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful, the Lord of the Day of Judgment. Thee alone we worship and Thee alone we seek for help. Guide us to the right path, the path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favours, not of those cursed ones and nor of those who have gone astray. (Sura Al-Hamd - Sura 1).

    I prostrate before Thee and I rely upon Thee; from thee is my strength and Thou art my protection, O Lord of the worlds.

    O Allah, let Thy peace be on Muhammad - the Chosen, and on 'Aly - the favourite, and on the Imams - the pure, and on the evidence of Thy Authority - the Lord of the age and the time, our present living Imam, our Lord Shah Karim al-Husayni.

    O Allah to Thee is my prostration and obedience.

    Part II:

    BISMIL-LAHIR-RAHMANIR-RAHIM. YA AY-YUHAL-LADHINA AMANU, ATI'UL-LAHA WA ATI'URRASULA WA ULIL-AMRI MINKUM WA KUL- LA SHAY-IN AHSAYNAHU FI IMAMlM-MUBIN.

    (Raising hands in invocation)
    AL-LAHUM-MA YA MAWLANA ANTAS-SALAM, WA MINKAS-SALAM, WA ILAYKA YARJI'US-SALAM, HAY- YINA RAB-BANA BIS-SALAM, WA ADKHILNA DARAS-SALAM. TABARAKTA RAB-BANA WA TA'ALAYTA. YA DHAL-JALALI WAL-IKRAM.

    AL-LAHUM-MA YA MAWLANA MINKA MADADI WA 'ALAYKA MU'TAMADI; IY-YAKA NA'BUDU WA IY-YAKA NASTA'IN. YA 'ALY BILUTFIKA ADRIKNI, LA ILAHA IL-LAL-LAHU, MUHAM-MADUR RASULUL-LAHI. 'ALY-YUN AMIRUL-MU'MININ 'ALY-YUL-LAH MAWLANA SHAH KARIMUL- HUSAYNI AL-IMAMUL-HADIRUL-MAWJUD.

    (In prostration)
    AL-LAHUM-MA LAKA SUJUDI WA TA'ATI.

    Translation:

    In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.

    "O ye, who believe, obey Allah and obey the Apostle and holders of authority from amongst you."
    (Suratun Nisa - Sura 4 Ayat 59)

    "And We have vested (the knowledge and authority of) everything in the manifest Imam."
    (Sura Yaseen - Sura 36 Ayat 12)

    O Allah, O our Lord, Thou art the peace, and from Thee is the peace, and to Thee returneth the peace, O our Lord, give us life of peace, and usher us in the abode of peace. Blessed Thou art, our Lord, the Most High, O the Lord of Majesty and Reverence.

    O Allah, O our Lord, from Thee is my help and upon Thee is my reliance; Thee alone we worship and from Thee alone we seek support. O 'Aly, help me with Thy kindness.

    There is no deity except Allah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, 'Aly - the master of believers is from Allah.

    Our Lord Shah Karim al-Husayni is our present living Imam.

    O Allah to Thee is my prostration and obedience.

    Comments:

    1. The quoted verse 4:59 is an edited portion of the entire verse. The rest of the crucial text of verse 4:59 is deleted with a motive. One can easily notice the reasons for its deletion by reading the expunged text. Unfortunately, majority of the Ismailis do not read the Qur'an.
    Here is the entire verse 4:59:


    Translation by Yusuf Ali:


    O ye who believe! obey Allah and obey the Apostle and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves refer it to Allah and His Apostle if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: that is best and most suitable for final determination.


    Translation by Pickthall:


    O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger and those of you who are in authority; and if ye have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and the messenger if ye are (in truth) believers in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more seemly in the end.

    2. The quoted text of verse 36:12 is the last line of verse 36:12. This fragmented text is connected to the edited portion of the verse 4:59. The Reconstituted Verse conveys a meaning which Allah (SWT) had not revealed. The expunged portion of the verse 36:12 speaks very clearly about "writing", and tells us that the revelation was for the "writing of the deeds" and not for the "vesting of knowledge or authority".
    Here is the entire verse 36:12.


    Translation by Yusuf Ali:


    Verily We shall give life to the dead and We record that which they sent before and that which they leave behind and of all things have We taken account in a clear Book (of evidence).


    Translation by Pickthall:


    Lo! We it is Who bring the dead to life. We record that which they send before (them), and their footprints. And all things We have kept in a clear register.

    3. Please notice the words: "the knowledge and authority" within the parentheses that appear in the Dua Book are injected. They do not appear in any published Sunni or Shiah translation. Even the prophet had not the knowledge and authority "of everything".

    4. Please read carefully the Ismaili Shahadah (the Confession of Faith), which is recited in this second part of the Du'a. The Arabic text reads: 'ALY-YUN AMIRUL-MU'MININ 'ALY-YUL-LAH.
    The translation of it reads: 'Aly - the master of believers is from Allah. The Arabic word for "from" is "min". This word does not appear in the Arabic text. The phrase 'ALY-YUL-LAH translates: "The Ali, the God" which negates the earlier Confession: "There is no deity except Allah."


    Part III:


    BISMIL-LAHIR-RAHMANIR-RAHIM.

    YA AY-YUHAR-RASULU BAL-LIGH. MA UNZILA ILAYKA MIR-RAB-BIK; WA IL-LAM TAF'AL, FAMA BAL-LAGHTA RISALATAHU, WAL-LAHU YA'SIMUKA MINAN-NAS.

    LA ILAHA IL-LAL-LAHUL-HAY-YUL-QAY-YUM; LA ILAHA IL-LAL-LAHUL-MALIKUL-HAQ-QUL-MUBIN: LA ILAHA IL-LAL-LAHUL-MALIKUL-HAQ-QUL-YAQIN: LA ILAHA IL-LAL-LAHU MALIKU YAWMID-DIN:

    LA FATA IL-LA'ALY, LA SAYFA IL-LA DHUL-FIQAR. TAWAS-SALU 'INDAL-MASAYIBI, BI-MAWLAKUMIL- HADIRIL-MAWJUD SHAH KARIMIL-HUSAYNI.

    (In prostration)
    AL-LAHUM-MA LAKA SUJUDI WA TA'ATI.

    Translation:

    In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.

    O Apostle, deliver (to the people), what has been revealed to thee from thy Lord; and if thou did not do so, then thou hast not delivered His Message, and Allah will protect thee from the people. (Sura Ma'eda - Sura 5 Ayat 67)

    There is no deity except Allah, the Ever-Living, the Eternal.

    There is no deity except Allah, the Sovereign, the Ultimate Truth, the Evident:

    There is no deity except Allah, the Sovereign, the Ultimate Truth, the Certainty:

    There is no deity except Allah. the Lord of the Day of Judgment:

    There is no hero except 'Aly. there is no sword except (his sword) 'Zulfiqar'.

    Seek at the time of difficulties, the help of your Lord, the present living (Imam) Shah Karim al-Husayni.

    O Allah to Thee is my prostration and obedience.

    Comments:

    1. The last line of the original verse 5:67 is expunged in the text above. No Muslim would recite a bifurcated, edited or part-deleted verse of the Qur'an, in his/her prayer.


    2. Ismailis are taught that the above verse was revealed to the prophet in connection with the prophet's Declaration of Ali (a.s.) as the Imam of the Ummah, at the Gadheer-e-Khum. Reading of the preceding and following verses clearly demonstrate that the Message to be delivered by the prophet was for the "People of the Book" who were not present at the Gadheer-e-Khum.

    3. In Part One of the Du'a, while reciting the Sura Fatiha, Ismailis say to Allah: "Thee alone we worship and Thee alone we seek help". In Part Two, Ismailis again recite: "O Allah, O our Lord from Thee is my help and upon Thee is my reliance.

    4. In Part Three above, Ismailis recite: "Seek at the time of difficulties, the help of your Lord, the present living Imam Shah Karim Al Husayni." And, in the Part Five below: "O Imam of the time, O our Lord, Thou are my strength and Thou art my support and on Thee I rely, O present, O living, O Shah Karim Al-Husayni." To a non-Ismaili the duplicity is apparent.

    5. Ismailis who genuinely believe Karim Aga Khan to be "Sahi" (truly) Allah, detect NO hypocrisy. The question for them is: If Aly/Aga Khan "is" what you believe, then why are you seeking from Allah; "O Allah, let Thy peace be on 'Aly - the favourite, and on the Imams", in part One of your Holy Du'a? It seems the term "Sahi" is not absolutely "Sahi"!

    Part IV:


    BISMIL-LAHIR-RAHMANIR-RAHIM;

    IN-NAL LADHINA YUBAYI'UNAKA. IN-NAMA YUBAYl'UNAL-LAHA: YADUL-LAHI FAWQA AYDIHIM,FAMAN NAKATHA. FA IN-NAMA YANKUTHU 'ALA NAFSIHI WA MAN AWFA BIMA 'AHADA 'ALAYHUL- LAHU. FA SAYU'TIHI AJRAN 'AZIMA.

    (Raising hands in invocation)
    AL-LAHUM-MAGHFIR LANA DHUNUBANA, WARZUQNA, WARHAMNA, BIHAQ-QI RUSULIKAL- MUQAR-RABIN. WA A-'IM-MATIKAL-MUTAH-HARIN, WA BIHAQ-QI MAWLANA WA IMAMINA, SHAH KARIMIL-HUSAYNI.

    (In prostration)
    AL-LAHUM-MA LAKA SUJUDI WA TA'ATI.

    Translation:

    In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.

    (O Prophet) Verily, those who give Thee their allegiance, they give it but to Allah (Himself); Allah's hand is upon their hands. Then he, who breaks it, he certainly breaks it against himself. And he who fulfills what he has pledged with Allah. He shall in return reward him in plenty.
    (Sura Fatah - Sura 48 Ayat 10)

    O Allah, forgive us our sins, and give us our bread, and have mercy upon us, in the name of Thy closest Messengers and Thy holy Imams, and in the name of our Lord and our Imam, Shah Karim al-Husayni.

    O Allah to Thee is my prostration and obedience.

    Part V:

    BlSMlL-LAHlR-RAHMANIR-RAHIM.

    YA AY-YUHAL-LADHINA AMANU, LA TAKHUNUL- LAHA WAR-RASULA. WA TAKHUNU AMANATIKUM, WA ANTUM TA'LAMLUN.

    (Raising hands in invocation)
    RAB-BANAGHFIR LANA DHUNUBANA, WA SAH-HIL UMURANA, WARZUQNA, WARHAMNA; IN-NAKA 'ALA KUL-LI SHAY-IN QADIR.

    (Tasbih)
    YA 'ALY YA MUHAMMAD YA MUHAMMAD YA 'ALY.

    (Raising hands in invocation)
    YA IMAMAZ-ZAMAN, YA MAWLANA. ANTA QUWWATI, WA ANTA SANADI, WA'ALAYKAT- TlKALI, YA HADIR YA MAWJUD, YA SHAH KARIMUL-HUSAYNI, ANTAL-IMAMUL-HAQ- QUL-MUBIN.

    (In prostration)
    AL-LAHUM-MA LAKA SUJUDI WA TA 'ATI.

    Translation:
    In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.

    O ye who believe, do not betray Allah and the Apostle and do not betray your trusts while you know.
    (Sura Anfal - Sura 8 Ayat 27)

    O our Lord, forgive us our sins, and make our tasks easy, and give us our bread, and have mercy upon us; Thou art the Omnipotent.

    O 'Aly, OMuhammad; OMuhammad. O 'Aly.

    O Imam of the time, O our Lord, Thou art my strength and Thou art my support and on Thee I rely. O present O living, O Shah Karim al-Husayni, Thou art the true manifest Imam.

    O Allah to Thee is my prostration and obedience.

    Part VI:

    BISMIL-LAHIR-RAHMANIR-RAHIM.

    QUL HUWAL-LAHU AHAD, AL-LAHUS-SAMAD, LAM YALID WA LAM YULAD WA LAM YAKUL-LAHU KUFU-WAN AHAD.

    AL-LAHUM-MA RIHAQ-QI MUHAM-MADINIL- MUSTAFA WA 'ALY-YINIL MURTADA WA FATIMATAZ-ZAHRA WAL-HASANI WAL-HUSAYN.

    AL-LAHUM-MA BIHAQ-QI MAWLANA 'ALY;
    MAWLANAL-HUSAYN;
    MAWLANA ZAYNIL-'ABIDIN;
    MAWLANA MUHAM-MADINIL-BAQIR;
    MAWLANA JA'FARIS-SADIQ;
    MAWLANA ISMA'IL:
    MAWLANA MUHAM-MADIBNI lSMA'IL:
    MAWLANA WAFI AHMAD,
    MAWLANA TAQI MUHAM-MAD,
    MAWLANA RADIY-YID-DIN ABDIL-LAH;
    MAWLANA MUHAM-MADINIL MAHDI;
    MAWLANAL-QAYIM:
    MAWLANAL MANSUR:
    MAWLANAL-MU'IZ;
    MAWLANAL-'AZIZ;
    MAWLANAL-HAKIM BI AMRIL-LAH;
    MAWLANAZ-ZAHIR;
    MAWLANAL-MUSTANSIRI BIL-LAH,
    MAWLANA NiZAR;
    MAWLANAL-HADI;
    MAWLANAL-MUHTADI;
    MAWLANAL-QAHIR;
    MAWLANA 'ALA DHIKRIHIS-SALAM;
    MAWLANA A'LA MUHAM-MAD;
    MAWLANA JALALID-DIN HASAN:
    MAWLANA 'ALA-ID-DIN MUHAM-MAD;
    MAWLANA RUKNID-DIN KHAYR SHAH;
    MAWLANA SHAMSID DIN MUHAM-MAD;
    MAWLANA QASIM SHAH;
    MAWLANA ISLAM SHAH;
    MAWLANA MUHAM-MADIBNI ISLAM SHAH;
    MAWLANAL-MUSTANSIRI BIL-LAH;
    MAWLANA 'ABDIS-SALAM;
    MAWLANA GHARIB MIRZA;
    MAWLANA ABI DHAR 'ALY;
    MAWLANA MURAD MIRZA;
    MAWLANA DHIL-FIQAR'ALY;
    MAWLANA NURID-DIN 'ALY;
    MAWLANA KHALI-LAH 'ALY;
    MAWLANA NlZAR;
    MAWLANAS SAY-YID 'ALY;
    MAWLANA HASAN 'ALY;
    MAWLANA QASIM 'ALY;
    MAWLANA ABIL-HASAN'ALY;
    MAWLANA KHALIL-LAH 'ALY,
    MAWLANA SHAH HASAN 'ALY;
    MAWANA SHAH 'ALY SHAH.
    MAWLANA SULTAN MUHAM-MAD SHAH.

    (Raising hands in invocation)
    WA BIHAQ-QI MAWLANA WA IMAMINAL-HADIRIL- MAWJUD SHAH KARIMIL-HUSAYNIRHAMNA (OR HUSAYNI IRHAMNA) WAGHFIR LANA. IN-NAKA 'ALA KUL-LI SHAY-IN QADIR. WAL-HAMDU LIL- LAHI RAB-BIL-'ALAMIN.

    (While joining hands)
    SHAH-JO-DEEDAR

    (In prostration)
    AL-LAHUM-MA LAKA SUJUDI WA TA'ATI.

    Translation:

    In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.

    Say, it is Allah. (who is) the One. Allah is Absolute, Independent. He did not beget nor He was begotten and there is none like unto Him. (Surat-ul-lkhlas- Sure 112)

    O Allah, in the name of Muhammad - the chosen, and Aly - the favorite, and Fatima - the radiant, and (Hazrat) Hasan, and (Imam) Husayn.

    O Allah in the name of our lord 'Aly;
    our lord Husayn; our lord Zainil 'Abideen;
    our lord Muhammadinil Baqir; our lord Ja'faris Sadiq;
    our lord Ismail; our lord Muhmmad bin Ismail,
    our lord Wafi Ahmed; our lord Taqi Muhammad;
    our lord Raziyiddeen Abdillah; our lord Muhammadinil Mahdi,
    our lord Qaim; our lord Mansoor;
    our lord Mu'izz; our lord Aziz;
    our lord Hakim bi Amrillah; our lord Zahir,
    our lord Mustansiribillah; our lord Nizar;
    our lord Hadi: our lord Muhtadi,
    our lord Qahir: our lord 'Ala Zikrihis-Salaam;
    our lord A'ala Muhammad; our lord Jalaliddeen Hasan,
    our lord 'Ala-iddeen Muhammad; our lord Rukniddeen Khairi Shah;
    our lord Shamsiddeen Muhammad; our lord Qasim Shah;
    our lord Islam Shah; our lord Muhammad bin Islam Shah;
    our lord Mustansiri-billah; our lord Abdis-Salaam:
    our lord Ghareeb Meerza: our lord Abizzar Aly:
    our lord Murad Meerza; our lord Zulfiqar Aly;
    our lord Nooridden Aly; our lord Khalilillahi Aly;
    our lord Nizar; our lord Sayyid Aly;
    our lord Hasan Aly; our lord Qasim Aly;
    our lord Abul Hasan Aly; our lord Khalilillahi Aly;
    our lord Shah Hasan Aly; our lord Shah 'Aly Shah;
    our lord Sultan Muhammad Shah.
    And in the name of our lord and our present living Imam Shah Karim al-Husayni, have mercy upon us and
    forgive us (our sins).

    Verily Thou art the Omnipotent. And all praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.

    May you be blessed with the holy Deedar of our Lord.

    O Allah to Thee is my prostration and obedience.

    Note: "the holy Deedar of our Lord" means; "the holy Glimpse of our Hazar Imam".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibn Mikael View Post
    I mean, can you seriously deny that Ismailis:

    And quite frankly, the only refutation I've seen about this from the Ismailis that have been posting are retorts accusing everyone here of being a terrorist. .
    All of the accusations are false. Why does Ismaili Muslims have to take the backlash here and have to read the garbage and answer every interrogative questions but you wouldn't read anything when it is presented? Who cares what this Shaykh or that Shaykh says about Ismaili Muslims. Ask yourself the question, what is your motive in finding out about other communities? Are you seriously seeking to gain knowledge or are you only interested in bringing others down for the sake of your own Iman? What motivates all those here who are interested in calling a large community of Muslims a non-Muslims? This is the gist of what I believe Farhan A was asking and at least it proves here that none of you have provided any credible answers.


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    Default Re: Why are Ismailis considered Non-Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hussayn View Post
    FINAL REFUTATION OF AGA KHANI ISMAILIS AND THE SHIRK INFESTATION TAKEN FROM ARTICLE:
    You are going to be some dentist. Hope your mind is not wandering worrying about Ismailis while you operate in anyone's mouth. Give it a rest to your copy/pasting from anti-Ismaili sources.


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    Quote Originally Posted by warren555 View Post
    You are going to be some dentist. Hope your mind is not wandering worrying about Ismailis while you operate in anyone's mouth. Give it a rest to your copy/pasting from anti-Ismaili sources.
    Lol no i wont be worrying about Ismailis its ok.

    Still?? You still dont accept that Aga Khanis is way off? I give up now then. This is pointless.

    The aim was not to put YOU down at all and i have said repeatedly that i do not mean to offend. The aim was to at least attempt to show WHY it is misguided and is misguiding its followers.

    Ultimately warren555 this is the truth: If you expect other Muslims to understand in some way or embrace that Ismailis do no follow as obligations laws in the Quran, then that isnt going to happen. I see this Aga Khani Ismailism as a faith, but i do not see it as being part of Islam, for the basic reason that things like Hajj, Sawm etc are not viewed as obligations. And in fact i would be held responsible in front of Allah (swt) if i actually recognised Aga Khani Ismailism as a valid Islam.

    We are going round in circles over and over again.

    Wasalam.
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    Default Re: Why are Ismailis considered Non-Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hussayn View Post
    I give up now then. This is pointless.Wasalam.
    Tell me, what's your motivation in calling one group of Muslims non-Muslims?

    Where in the Qu'ran, Hadith or Sunnah does it say that Muslims should accuse other Muslims as non-Muslims? What good does that achieve? Seen any Ismaili Muslim do that? Forget the internet, you are a real person, check your neighborhood, there is a sizable community of Ismailis in London, they have a Jam'at Khana there as well (their house of prayers), what kind of nefarious and hurtful activities have you seen them conduct? Why lookup anti-Ismaili sources on the internet? What good does that do to check on somebody by going to their enemies?

    Luckily, I don't brush aside Sunnism with one stroke and I take them very seriously regardless of the perception I see here.

    This thread is ridiculous because people here are unreasonably accusing Ismaili Muslims for what they are not. I am not their apologist and I won't bring terrorist argument but do yourself a favor and learn about different communities of Muslims from their own sources instead of listening to their enemies. Be confident with what you believe in and speak and think with the best of intentions. Rest, only God knows best.

    PS: I know you don't need my advise but ... have a nice day.


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    Default Re: Why are Ismailis considered Non-Muslims?

    If I were to ask Husayn more information on what he believes in and how, I would ask him to provide me URL links and I would do my own research. I do not believe in asking accusatory questions to any individual because an individual is not a sum total of the group. The best research is the one you do with patience and from the correct sources.

    For those interested in learning more about the community of Ismaili Muslims and their work, below are few of the websites you can reference.

    The research institute: http://www.iis.ac.uk
    Community Portal: http://theismaili.org
    Group of development agencies: http://www.akdn.org/
    Agencies covering different faculties of human life: http://www.akdn.org/agencies.asp
    About His Highness the Aga Khan: http://www.akdn.org/about_agakhan.asp

    Ismaili Muslims generally don't proselytize via a website so don't look for black and white answers anywhere. Above info is only for informational purposes. I understand that Farhad A had different reasons to launch this thread and this reply of mine is not helpful to him. I am leaving these links here anyway for those who may not be aware but are willing to learn for their own good.

    And if you have time and you're serious in your search, read this Ismaili Muslim Ethical Framework document, it provides lots of clues and answers.

    http://iis.ac.uk/SiteAssets/pdf/akdn_ethical_framework.pdf
    Last edited by warren555; 10-02-2010 at 05:11 PM.


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    Default Re: Why are Ismailis considered Non-Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by warren555 View Post
    Where in the Qu'ran, Hadith or Sunnah does it say that Muslims should accuse other Muslims as non-Muslims?


    And there in lay the pickle.. If Hussayn doesnt consider you a muslim, then he is not accusing Muslim as non Muslim.

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    Default Re: Why are Ismailis considered Non-Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by abuhajira View Post


    And there in lay the pickle.. If Hussayn doesnt consider you a muslim, then he is not accusing Muslim as non Muslim.



    Trying to understand your point above.

    Hussayn doesn't know me so he cannot accuse me of anything. My earlier point was that people shouldn't be accusing anyone of anything over false information.



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    Default Re: Why are Ismailis considered Non-Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by warren555 View Post


    Trying to understand your point above.

    Hussayn doesn't know me so he cannot accuse me of anything. My earlier point was that people shouldn't be accusing anyone of anything over false information.

    AHA! Steady on. If you look through my ENTIRE posts. Never ONCE have i called any individual as non-Muslim. Never once have i called you non-Muslim. Why would i do that? I dont know you.

    HOWEVER I have said repeatedly for example, that any person that believes the laws of Hajj, Sawm, Salaat (proper salaat how everyone does it) etc are not obligatory and denies these laws being compulsory as is commanded by Allah (swt) they would be outside the faith of Islam by all jurisprudences.

    Now if YOU yourself read that you may think that applies to you and you may think that it does not. But i have not called you a kafir. Because you may in fact in your heart believe completely different things. That goes for everyone. Only Allah (swt) is aware of the hearts of people.


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    In response to Marco who responded by "to you your Deen..".and yet he says dont waste time with "these" ismailies.
    Should I say the same as these lost abu bakr/omar sunnis? Those Muslims? Those terrorist Muslims?
    This is exactly what I had hoped and requested in my email to have an enlightened discussion. Rather I get such responses.
    Please refrain from such ignorant responses. I invite everyone to have an intellectual discussion and stop making judgments on a community that you dont even know about or try to understand. Please!!
    nazir


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