Bashariyyat of Holy Messenger - Pir Mehr Ali

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

Pir Mehr Ali Shah Golri (may Allah have mercy on him), when asked about the Basharriyat of our Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), said,

"I am not capable to mediate and judge between the people of knowledge and esteem, but complying with the valued order, I am compelled to put forward what I have present in my mind.

My master! There is no doubt that it is necessary for the believers to remember the Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) as a token of respect and reverence. Now, we have to see whether the word bashar, according to the Arabic language, contains the meaning of greatness and perfection or the meaning of abhorrence [lowness/disparagement/despise]. In my humble view, the word bashar contains perfection as per its meaning and application."

(Maktubaat, p.157 #340)

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[Usman]

nice masha'Allah, it's sad to see his grandsons going astray nowadays. Like pir nasiruddin used to curse syyidina Muawiyah Radhi Allahu anh, and died after destroying the graves just to make his parking lot, but Pir sahib Rahimahullah was a true wali

[Ahmad_shakeel]

Like pir nasiruddin used to curse syyidina Muawiyah Radhi Allahu anh,

salam,
did he realy do dat?

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

On the other hand, according to 'Hakim al-Ummah' of Barelwis Mufti Ahmad Yaar Khan Gujarati, the word bashar and certain verses of the Qur'an are against the status of Holy Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace). He writes in Ja al-Haq,

"It implies that the verses like 'Allah‘s hand is over their hands' (48:10) and 'The example of His light is that of a niche' (24:35), etc. which are seemingly not proper for the Highness of Allah Most High are mutashabihat (ambiguous, whose definite meanings are unknown). Similarly, the verses like 'I am but a bashar (human being)' (18:110), etc, which are apparently against the status of the Holy Prophet are mutashabihat; therefore it is wrong to argue on the basis of the apparent meaning of such verses."

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[NeednoName]

Assalaam'aaleykum!

Very informative, Saad Bhai!

But I have got one question - Who else held this view that ‘bashar’ is impudent and has meaning of lowness/disparagement/despise or beralwis alone in this, as usual?

[slm]

Assalam o alaykum,

On the other hand, according to 'Hakim al-Ummah' of Barelwis Mufti Ahmad Yaar Khan Gujarati, the word bashar and certain verses of the Qur'an are against the status of Holy Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace). He writes in Ja al-Haq,

"It implies that the verses like 'Allah‘s hand is over their hands' (48:10) and 'The example of His light is that of a niche' (24:35), etc. which are seemingly not proper for the Highness of Allah Most High are mutashabihat (ambiguous, whose definite meanings are unknown). Similarly, the verses like 'I am but a bashar (human being)' (18:110), etc, which are apparently against the highness of the Holy Prophet are mutashabihat; therefore it is wrong to argue on the basis of the apparent meaning of such verses."

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I amazed by this. Do you think the average Barelwi supports this view? I know the Malauna is one of the biggest Barelwi Maulana ever, but still... i know many Barelwis, and i dont think they would deny the fact that Rasulallah was a human. They rather say he was noor AND bashar, with noor meaning physical light. While i know this view is incorrect, its on a whole another level to deny the fact that Rasulallah was bashar.

[Saad]

I amazed by this. Do you think the average Barelwi supports this view? I know the Malauna is one of the biggest Barelwi Maulana ever, but still... i know many Barelwis, and i dont think they would deny the fact that Rasulallah was a human. They rather say he was noor AND bashar, with noor meaning physical light. While i know this view is incorrect, its on a whole another level to deny the fact that Rasulallah was bashar.

Assalam o alaykum,

What makes you think that Barelwis won't support what is written in Ja al-Haq. It is one of the most reliable book of Barelwis, also available in English on their various websites. Barelwis are a sect most extreme in blind following every word of their scholars. They don't ask any questions. However, this is what one of Barelwi layman posted on their forum:

"It is stated in Tafseer Noor ul-Irfan (by Mufti Ahmad Yaar Khan Naeemi) that the Prophets have been called human beings (like us) in the holy Qur'an only by the following three:
1. Allah azza wajal
2. The Prophets themselves
3. Kuffars

Nowhere in the holy Qur'an has any believer addressed his/her Prophet as "human being like us".

Which begs the question - which category does ibn Arabi (and his wahabi/deobandi ilks) belong: The Allah, a Prophet or a kuffar?"

Look at their reasoning! Simply absurd yet hilarious.

Now we ask the Barelwis: Cite from major 'aqida books of Ahl al-Sunnah wal-Jamah where Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) has been referred to as 'physical' (hissi) Nur. Key word is 'physical' - don't bring forth any quotes that only mention Nur.

[Saad]

nice masha'Allah, it's sad to see his grandsons going astray nowadays. Like pir nasiruddin used to curse syyidina Muawiyah Radhi Allahu anh, and died after destroying the graves just to make his parking lot, but Pir sahib Rahimahullah was a true wali

Assalam o alaykum,

A Shi’a scholar had written a book taunting the genealogy of Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qadir Jailani (may Allah have mercy on him). In reply Pir Nasir al-Din Shah Golri wrote ‘Naam wa Nasab’ defending Shaykh Jailani along with severely slandering and abusing Sayyiduna Mu’awiyyah (may Allah be pleased with him). Pir Nasir al-Din accused Sayyiduna Mu’awiyyah of inventing bid’ahs, poisoning Sayyiduna Hassan (may Allah be pleased with him), along with many other false accusations.

Now Muhammad Zaffar Iqbal has written a reply to Pir Nasir al-Din Golri in ‘Sayyiduna Mu’awiyyah – Ghumrah kun Ghalt Fahmioon ka Izalah’. Shaykh al-Hadith Mawlana Salimullah Khan has highly praised this book in his preface and considered it one of the best books in defense of Sayyiduna Mu’awiyyah.

http://www.banuri.edu.pk/ur/node/1048

[fitnaantivirus]

Has anyone seen this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG2wsDw2eHQ

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

The video has been watched many times and Arab scholars "don't endorse 'Barelwi' 'aqidah".

There is no problem by saying Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) is nur if it is meant that nur is attribute. His teachings are nur, his character is nur, the message he brought is nur. He is a nur for the whole of mankind.

Scholars have used this term in this sense until Barelwis showed up on the scene and they denied the Bashariyyat of Holy Nabi by stating that he was only a bashar outwardly and his haqiqat was nur.

Sorry to disappoint but these scholars don't endorse the Barelwi 'aqidah. Don't be fooled by the word nur. Bring forth clear statements from books of 'aqidah stating that Holy Messenger was nur in haqiqat and bashar just outwardly.

Shaykh Yahya Ninowy clearly stated in his ‘Aqidah Tahawiyyah lectures that, "whoever believes Holy Messenger is a Nur (as in Photons and light) is a Kafir".