Baraelwi response to Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller's article "Iman, Kufr and Takfir'

[abdlashay]

as salam o alaikum

Baraelwis have written a 82 pages response to Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller's article "Iman, Kufr and Takfir'.

A just response to a biased author.

I am not aware if this has been discussed on this forum before. If yes than, please, ignore this thread.

It is strange for the Deobandi's that no detailed response has been written from their side regarding Shaykh's article.

was salam

[abul_hussain]

as salam o alaikum

Baraelwis have written a 82 pages response to Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller's article "Iman, Kufr and Takfir'.

A just response to a biased author.

I am not aware if this has been discussed on this forum before. If yes than, please, ignore this thread.

It is strange for the Deobandi's that no detailed response has been written from their side regarding Shaykh's article.

was salam

wa alaykum as salaam.

I remember you brother from ASFA forum days. you used to post there and there was Dr. Muhib also and three brothers.

A barelwi response to a barelwi reply to keller

i struggled hard to keep quiet, but i have to say that the 'response' misses the point by miles, takes a right turn and goes south. the issues with shaykh nuh's sub-standard article are not adequately answered and if there are any valid points, they are drowned in lengthy quotes and fallacious inferences. it appears that shaykh nuh's article was translated to urdu and the response was in urdu and thereafter translated back to english.

much has been lost in translation back and forth.

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if someone asked me if there was a rebuttal to nuh keller, i would certainly not mention this response.

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for all sunni brothers who are reading this, just calling shaykh nuh names or abusing him is not only bad, but also damages our already bad reputation. anybody who cannot contribute to this discussion constructively should keep quiet. it is saddening to note that those who appear to have no introduction to the science of kalam or aqidah, coming up with their own analogies and explanations. in their zeal to 'defend' sunni aqidah, they chalk up a few horrendous statements themselves.

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also, i believe that shaykh nuh is a sincere person misled by those around him (as he most likely does not understand urdu) and in his eagerness to 'bring together' sunnis and deobandis, he has made this mistake. in the follow up, he made a bigger blunder of siding with the 'imkan al-kadhib' aqidah.

shaykh nuh is respected in the english-speaking world and this blunder - a blatant contradiction of the creed of ahlu's sunnah - will have far reaching repercussions. there is a sound reason why we have to refute this: because future generations will consider our silence as a proof that indeed, this abominable belief of 'imkan e kizb' is valid or perhaps has some basis.

many are already going down that path. it is not about settling scores. it is not about some group talking ill of the ahl al-Haqq, the righteous folk. it is about the correct creed of the ahlu's sunnah.

we hope and pray for a response that can influence nuh keller to change his opinion about this repugnant statement that 'falsehood is not intrinsically impossible'* and save the aqidah of thousands of his followers and admirers. wa billahi't tawfiq.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

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*one of the devices of the ahl al-bid'ah is that they try to use complex language and double negatives to confuse people. unfortunately, nuh keller has sided with those who have insulted the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam and with hypocrites who have one face for the arab ulama and another for the general public of the indo-pak subcontinent. he has even taken to use their terminology which is a big comedown for someone who should be guiding his disciples, not imbibing their odious ideas.

in this regard, the citation from sayf al-maslul in 'the just response' is relevant; though, a poor translation destroys that message.

So the above Barelwi says Nuh keller is sincere, but others are not. How did he come to this conclusion about someone's sincerity and honesty. The barelwi guy himself has been accused of being insincere, dishonest, and vile abuser. infact he has proved that numerous times and it is irony what he says about Nuh keller.

[Uthman81]

Honestly this is quite a pathetic response. I only skimmed through it and found it to be ridiculous. For instance, if you look at point 5 regarding Maulana Qasim Nanotwi's (ra) supposed assertion, that Prophet Muhammed isn't the final messenger, the quotes from Maulana Nanotwi that he uses don't necessarily mean what he says it means, i.e., that the Prophet (s) isn't the final messenger. This really is a third rate response. And whats really sad about it is that it's quite mediocre.

I remember there being two responses from the Deobandi camp, within a few weeks of Sh. Nuh's article, on blogs that are now defunct. Here's one article that was posted

http://projectdeoband.blogspot.com/2...of-shaykh.html

[Saad]

as salam o alaikum

It is strange for the Deobandi's that no detailed response has been written from their side regarding Shaykh's article.

Assalam o alaykum,

Looks like it is a lost cause for Deobandis in the West. They have more 'important' issues to worry about. I wouldn’t expect any detailed scholarly response anytime in the near future.

[NeednoName]

Honestly this is quite a pathetic response. I only skimmed through it and found it to be ridiculous. For instance, if you look at point 5 regarding Maulana Qasim Nanotwi's (ra) supposed assertion, that Prophet Muhammed isn't the final messenger, the quotes from Maulana Nanotwi that he uses don't necessarily mean what he says it means, i.e., that the Prophet (s) isn't the final messenger. This really is a third rate response. And whats really sad about it is that it's quite mediocre.

I remember there being two responses from the Deobandi camp, within a few weeks of Sh. Nuh's article, on blogs that are now defunct. Here's one article that was posted

http://projectdeoband.blogspot.com/2...of-shaykh.html

Assalaam'aaleykum!

This Barelwi response just shows the stubbornness and irritability on behalf of Barelwi lot. No matter how many times they are refuted/corrected, they would never accept their defeat; rather, would continue with their age-old jabber. May Allah ta'ala guide us to and on the straight path. Ameen!

BTW Jazak'Allah Khayr for the link! Blog looks so fresh but needs to get updated more frequently.