Keeping the palms to the sky during the supplication of Qunut in the Witr

[Khali]

In my English translation of Maraqi al Falah it seems that al-Shurunbulali favors raising hands during the dua of qunut as he says:

"...When he completes reciting the chapter in it, i.e. in the third unit, he raises his hands parallel to his ears, as we have mentioned, unless he is making it up so that his negligence in it is not seen by raising his hands in the presence of someone who sees him. He then utters takbir because he is moving to the state of supplication.
After takbir he recites the supplication standing because the Prophet, upon him be blessings and peace, used to recite the supplication in witr before the bow. With the Imam (Abu Hanifa), he places his right on his left but from Abu Yusuf, he raises them as ibn Mas’ud used to raise them to his chest whilst their palms were to the sky. Farj, the slave of Abu Yusuf, said, “I saw my master Abu Yusuf raising his hands in supplication when he would enter the supplication in witr” – ibn Abu ‘Imran said, “Farj was trustworthy”. Kamal said, “His basis is the general nature of the proof of raising for supplication. However, it is refuted that it is specific to that which is not in the prayer because of the consensus that there is no raising in the testification supplication.” I say, “There is a problem with this because of the statement of ibn Mas’ud which has just been mentioned.”

Mabsut mentions from Muhammad ibn Hanafiyya who said, “Supplication is four:
1.Hopeful supplication in which he has the centre of his palms to the sky.
2.Fearful supplication in which he has the back of his hands to his face like a person seeking protection from something.
3.Humble supplication in which he clenches the small finger and the ring finger, circles the thumb and the middle finger, and points with index finger.
4.Secret supplication which is that which a person does to himself.”
This is mentioned in M’iraj Diraya."

I think al-Shurunbulali indicated with this that in regard for the dua of qunut it is #1 of above kinds. Can we say that #3 kind is for when reading Tashahhud ?

So to sum up according al-Shurunbulali, when one completes reciting the additional surah in the third rakah of Witr, one raises his hands parallel to his ears (as in the begin of salaah) and then utters takbir. Then lowers his hands to chest height with the palms to the sky and holds them during the whole dua of qunut like this.

Can someone check what Tahtawi (who wrote a hashiyah on Marali al Falah) said about the view of al-Shurunbulali ?

Also what is the narration of Ibn Masu'd where al-Shurunbulali is referring to i.e. to keep the hands at chest height during qunut ?

[Abdus_Salam]

so would this mean that keeping the hands outstretched during the qunut supplication is a valid opinion amongst the hanafis?

would it also apply to the fajr qunut?


EDIT: answer seems to be no...
http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...a6164ff092bde4

[Salman_Hanafi]

so would this mean that keeping the hands outstretched during the qunut supplication is a valid opinion amongst the hanafis?

would it also apply to the fajr qunut?

Is qunut in fajr allowed in the hanafi madhab??

[Abdus_Salam]

Is qunut in fajr allowed in the hanafi madhab??

It is in certain cases...

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...ID=1185&CATE=4

[Zubair]

The Shawafi' recite Qunut in every fajr, while the Ahnaf allow it only in certain situations. One shouldn't raise their hands if everyone in the congregation is not raising their hands, and likewise if the whole congregation is raising their hands, one should raise the hands, to avoid any fitnah.

[Khali]

so would this mean that keeping the hands outstretched during the qunut supplication is a valid opinion amongst the hanafis?

would it also apply to the fajr qunut?

The Shafi's and Hanbalis do raise their hands during qunut:

The Hanbalis:

Ibn Qudaamah in his Al-Kaafi fi fiqh Al-Imaam Ahmad states regarding Qunut in Witr, “And when the Imam performs Qunut, the one behind him says Aameen. If he does not hear the Qunut of the Imaam, then he is to make du’aa, and there is textual proof (nass) for that. And [one] raises his hands in the Qunut to the level of his chest, due to Ibn Mas’ood doing so. When he has completed his du’aa he wipes his face with his hands. It is also reported from it [i.e. the madh-hab] that it is not done. And the first [opinion] is better due to what is reported from As-Saa’ib ibn Yazeed (from his father) that Rasulullah (SAWS) (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) would raise his hands when making du’aa, and wipe his face thereafter with his hands. Reported by Abu Daawud.”

The Shafi's:

Imaam Nawawi mentions In his Tahqiq, what is considered one of his last works, and generally his most authoritative work, he states “And it is recommended to raise one’s hands [in the qunut] without wiping the face according to the correct opinion. And it is makruh to wipe [with the hands] any other part of the body.” [Page 221, Kitab At-Tahqiq, Dar-Al-Jil Beirut]

Malikis are considered to only raise hands during the prayer for rain see: http://www.lamppostproductions.com/node/171

In the maliki fiqh book ar-Risala of al-Qayrawani it is stated:

"...The well-known position is that he does not raise his hands as he does not raise them in saying "Amen" or in the supplication of the tashahhud.."

As you see it is based upon qiyas, the same qiyas which al-Shurunbulali rejected from Kamal (ibn Humaam) due the narration of Ibn Mas'ud (radiallahu anh)

[Abdus_Salam]

This fatwa goes in-depth into the topic of qunut and hand placement/movement according to the hanafis. It even address the narration of Farj regarding Imam Abu Yusuf:

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...a6164ff092bde4

[Khali]

This fatwa goes in-depth into the topic of qunut and hand placement/movement according to the hanafis. It even address the narration of Farj regarding Imam Abu Yusuf:

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...a6164ff092bde4

The fatwa seems contradictious about the qawl of Imam Muhammad:

In conclusion, he will fold his hands during Qunoot according to Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) and Imam Abu Yusuf (ra) regardless if it is after ruku’ or before. According to Imam Muhammad (ra) he will keep his hands on the side (during Qunoot).

Muhammad narrates that Abu Hanifa narrates that Hammad narrates that Ibrahim said Qunoot in Witr is Wajib in Ramadan and out of Ramadan before Ruku’. When you intend to say Qunoot, say takbeer. When you intend to go into ruku say Takbeer again. Imam Muhammad says, “We hold this view and hands should be raise before Qunoot just as how they are raised at the beginning of Salah and then fold them and make dua. This is the view of Imam Abu Hanafi (ra).