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    Default How Sound Is The Hadeeth “Were It Not For Muhammad, I Would Not Have Created You”?

    How Sound Is The Hadeeth “Were It Not For Muhammad, I Would Not Have Created You”?

    QUESTION:

    What is your opinion on this hadeeth? It was narrated that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Messenger of Allaah (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) said: “When Adam committed his sin, he said: ‘O Lord, I ask You by virtue of Muhammad to forgive me.’ Allaah said: ‘O Adam, how do you know Muhammad when I have not created him yet?’ He said: ‘O Lord, because when You created me with Your hand and breathed into me the soul that Your created for me, I lifted my head and I saw it written on the pillars of the Throne: Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah Muhammad Rasool Allaah, and I knew that You would not attach to Your name any but the most beloved of creation to You.’ Allaah said: ‘You have spoken the truth, O Adam, for he is the most beloved of creation to Me, and as you asked Me by virtue of him, I have forgiven you. Were it not for Muhammad I would not have created you.’”.

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    Praise be to Allaah.

    This hadeeth is fabricated, as was explained by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him), because Allaah only created the jinn and mankind to worship Him alone with no partner or associate, and Adam (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) is one of mankind. And Allaah is the source of strength. End quote.

    Majmoo’ Fataawa Ibn Baaz (26/327)

    Al-Bayhaqi said concerning it in Dalaa’il al-Nubuwwah (5/489): It was narrated only by ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Zayd ibn Aslam, who is da’eef (weak). End quote.

    Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said concerning it in al-Tawassul (p. 166):

    It was narrated in marfoo’ and mawqoof reports attributed to ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him), but (its isnaad) includes ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Aslam, who is da’eef according to their consensus and he makes many mistakes. End quote.

    Al-Albaani (and Allaah have mercy on him) ruled that it is fabricated in al-Silsilah al-Da’eefah (25).

    See also the answer to question number 23290.

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    Default Re: How Sound Is The Hadeeth “Were It Not For Muhammad, I Would Not Have Created You”

    Also another point, please correct me if i am wrong.

    Was it not that Adam (as) was taught the names of Allah, So how could it be that Adam (as) saw that it said 'There is no god but Allah and Muhammed is messenger, before he was taught'?


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    I have read that this Hadith was authenticated by Imam as-Suyuti, Imam Ibn Hibban, and Imam Tabarani; may ALLAH have mercy on all of them. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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    Asalamu alaykum,

    With all due respect to the thread starter and the shayukh that passed the above ruling, I think this is an incorrect view.

    From what I gather, we hold that the meaning of the hadith is true. http://darulifta-deoband.org/viewfatwa.jsp?ID=12981

    Unfortunately the above link doesn't seem to have what Mufti Rasheed Ahmad wrote in his Ahsanul Fatawa quoted properly, so I hope if somebody here knows it could post it InshaAllah.
    Last edited by ssjkakarot; 05-04-2010 at 07:20 PM.


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    Default Re: How Sound Is The Hadeeth “Were It Not For Muhammad, I Would Not Have Created You”

    Quote Originally Posted by ssjkakarot View Post
    Asalamu alaykum,

    With all due respect to the thread starter and the shayukh that passed the above ruling, I think this is an incorrect view.

    From what I gather, we hold that the above mentioned hadith is in fact sahih. http://darulifta-deoband.org/viewfatwa.jsp?ID=12981

    Unfortunately the above link doesn't seem to have what Mufti Rasheed Ahmad wrote in his Ahsanul Fatawa quoted properly, so I hope if somebody here knows it could post it InshaAllah.


    The link does not say the hadeeth is saheeh, but that the meaning is.



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    Wa alaykum salam

    You're right, jazakAllah Khayr. I'll amend my post.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sis samiyya View Post
    Also another point, please correct me if i am wrong.

    Was it not that Adam (as) was taught the names of Allah, So how could it be that Adam (as) saw that it said 'There is no god but Allah and Muhammed is messenger, before he was taught'?
    yes there are 2 version, one in which only has been mentioned that adam(aw) saw the kalimah under the trhone of Allah which is hasan. There is another one which is mixed with this one and the narration of 1st post. in this version only the last part is fabricated, but first is supported by another Hasan hadith


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    Quote Originally Posted by streetwalker View Post
    yes there are 2 version, one in which only has been mentioned that adam(aw) saw the kalimah under the trhone of Allah which is hasan. There is another one which is mixed with this one and the narration of 1st post. in this version only the last part is fabricated, but first is supported by another Hasan hadith
    Salaam alakium brother,
    Im sorry for troubling you, so could you clarify which is the authentic version. Im confused Jazakallah khair


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    Assalam o alaykum,

    Shi'a version of this narration. Pure kufr.

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    Default Re: How Sound Is The Hadeeth “Were It Not For Muhammad, I Would Not Have Created You”

    Assalamu Alaikum

    The following is taken from here http://www.sunnah.org/fiqh/Ibn_Rajab_Mawlid.htm but I have no idea if it is quoted correctly or in context.

    [p. 160-162, he discusses the narrations and meanings of the sahih hadith: "I was Prophet when Adam was between spirit and body." Then he says:] Most of the Salaf hold that the bringing out [p. 162] of the seed of Adam from him was after the spirit was breathed into him, and this is what the majority of the reports indicate. So it is possible that Muhammad - Allah bless and greet him - was specifically brought out from the loins of Adam before the spirit was breathed into the latter, for Muhammad - Allah bless and greet him - is the purpose (al-maqsud) in the creation of the human species, he is its very essence (`aynuhu), quintessence (khulasatuhu), and core (wasita `aqdih). And it has been narrated that Adam - upon him peace - saw the name of Muhammad - Allah bless and greet him - written on the Throne and that Allah - Almighty and Glorified - said to Adam: "Were it not for Muhammad I would not have created you." Al-Hakim narrated it in his Sahih [see its documentation in the Encyclopedia of Islamic Doctrine 4:36-41].

    [The above position is also that of Ibn Rajab's two teachers, Ibn Taymiyya and Ibn al-Qayyim. Ibn Taymiyya said in his Fatawa al-Kubra (11:95-97):

    "Muhammad - Allah bless and greet him - is the Chief of the Children of Adam, the Best of Creation, the noblest of them in the sight of Allah. This is why some have said that "Allah created the Universe due to him," or that "Were it not for him, He would have neither created a Throne, nor a Footstool, nor a heaven, earth, sun or moon." However, this is not a hadith on the authority of the Prophet - Allah bless and greet him -... but it may be explained from a correct aspect...

    "Since the best of the righteous of the children of Adam is Muhammad - Allah bless and greet him -, creating him was a desirable end of deep-seated purposeful wisdom, more than for anyone else, and hence the completion of creation and the fulfillment of perfection was attained with Muhammad, may Allah Exalted bless him and grant him peace... The Chief of the Children of Adam is Muhammad, may Allah Exalted bless him and grant him peace, Adam and his children being under his banner. He, may Allah Exalted bless him and grant him peace, said: "Truly, I was written as the Seal of the Prophets with Allah, when Adam was going to-and-fro in his clay," i.e. that my prophethood was decreed and manifested when Adam - upon him peace - was created but before the breathing of the Spirit into him, just as Allah decrees the livelihood, lifespan, deeds and misery or happiness of the slave when He creates the embryo but before the breathing of the spirit into it.

    "Since man is the seal and last of all creation, and its microcosm, and since the best of man is thus the best of all creation absolutely, then Muhammad - Allah bless and greet him -, being the Pupil of the Eye, the Axis of the Mill, and the Distributor to the Collective, is as it were the Ultimate Purpose from amongst all the purposes of creation. Thus it cannot be denied to say that "Due to him all of this was created", or that "Were it not for him, all this would not have been created," so if statements like this are thus explained according to what the Book and the Sunna indicate, it is acceptable." End of Ibn Taymiyya's words.

    Similarly Ibn al-Qayyim wrote in his Bada'i` al-Fawa'id (p. 63): "Have you realized your value? I only created all the universes for your sake... All things are trees whose fruit you are."]
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