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    al-Salamu `Aleykum,

    The Shia who was debating our brother Farid in this link:
    http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?showforum=106

    Has reverted to Ahlul-Sunnah as you can see in this link:
    http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=16157&st=0

    So al-Hamdulillah.
    إن كان حب آل البيت رفضا فليشهد الثقلان إني رافضي


    من أقوال الإمام الشافعي

    Please Take a look in the Thread Dedicated to our Beloved Prophet PBUH by clicking here.


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    al-Salamu `Aleykum,

    The Shia who was debating our brother Farid in this link:
    http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?showforum=106

    Has reverted to Ahlul-Sunnah as you can see in this link:
    http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=16157&st=0

    So al-Hamdulillah.


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    More from the religion of polytheist retards and worshipers of Ahlul-Kufr wal-Zandaqah:

    Journey to shirk - Reviving of Paganism Part 1-4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1AUQ8rEhqM

    Journey to shirk - Reviving of Paganism Part 2-4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hylur0FG0Lk&feature=relmfu

    Journey to shirk - Reviving of Paganism Part 3-4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7z-hg1cf74&feature=g-all-u
    إن كان حب آل البيت رفضا فليشهد الثقلان إني رافضي


    من أقوال الإمام الشافعي

    Please Take a look in the Thread Dedicated to our Beloved Prophet PBUH by clicking here.


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    Some Shia Takfeeri narrations:

    8 – And in al-Khisal from his father from Sa`d b. `Abdullah from `Ali b. Isma`il al-Ash`ari from Muhammad b. Sinan from Abu Malik al-Juhani. He said: I heard Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام saying: Three whom Allah will not speak to them on the day of the resurrection, and not look to them, and not purify them, and for them is a painful punishment: One who claims an imam whose Imamate is not from Allah, and one who denies an Imam whose Imamate is from Allah, and one who claims that (either of) them have a share in Islam.

    11 – And in `Iqab al-A`mal from his father from Sa`d from Ahmad b. Abi `Abdillah from `Isma`il b. Mihran from a man from Abu ‘l-Maghra from Dharih from Abu Hamza from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: From us is the Imam whose obedience is decreed. Whoever denies him dies as a Jew or as a Christian – (al-hadith)

    18 – And in the book Ikmal ad-Deen from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Yahya from his father from `Abdullah b. Muhammad b. `Isa from al-Hasan b. Musa the wood merchant from more than one person from Marwan b. Muslim. He said: as-Sadiq Ja`far b. Muhammad عليهما السلام said: The Imam is a sign between Allah `azza wa jalla and His creation. So whoever recognizes him is a believer, and whoever denies him is a kafir.

    19 – And in al-`Ilal from his father from Sa`d from Ahmad b. Abi `Abdillah from Ibn Faddal from Tha`laba from `Amr b. Abi Nasr [`Umar b. Abi Nasr – in al-`Ilal] from Sadir. He said: Abu Ja`far عليه السلام said – in a hadith: Verily the knowledge that that the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله placed with `Ali عليه السلام (is) (?) whoever recognizes him is a believer and whoever denies him is a kafir. Then after him it was al-Hasan عليه السلام that was of that station – (al-hadith)

    20 – And in al-I`tiqadat he said: as-Sadiq عليه السلام said: Whoever doubts in the kufr of our enemies and the oppressors of us, then he is a kafir.

    21 – Furat b. Ibrahim al-Kufi in his Tafsir said: al-Husayn b. Sa`id [from Aban b. Taghlab – in the Tafsir] – mu`an`anan (an expression Furat uses when shorten the isnad between the shaykh narrating to him up to the Imam) – from Abu `Abdillah Ja`far b. Muhammad as-Sadiq عليه السلام. He said: When this ayat “There is not one of the People of the Book but will assuredly believe in him” (4:159). He said: The Messsenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله said: Not one rejects [Not one will remain who rejects – in the Tafsir] what was mentioned about `Isa b. Maryam عليه السلام but that he be a kafir, and not one rejects what the Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله said regarding `Ali b. Abi Talib عليه السلام but that he is a kafir.

    27 - `Ali b. Muhammad the silk dealer in al-Kifaya from Muhammad b. `Ali b. al-Husayn b. Babuwayh from `Ali b. Ahmad b. `Imran [`Ali b. Ahmad b. Muhammad b. `Imran the flour merchant – in al-Kifaya] from Muhammad b. Abi `Abdillah from Musa b. `Imran from al-Husayn b. Yazid from al-Hasan b. `Ali b. Abi Hamza [al-Husayn b. `Ali b. Abi Hamza – in al-Kifaya] from his father from Yahya b. al-Qasim [Yahya b. Abi ‘l-Qasim – in al-Kifaya] from Ja`far b. Muhammad from his fathers from the Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله. He said: The Imams after me are twelve. The first of them is `Ali b. Abi Talib and the last of them is the Qa’im –until he said: The one who acknowledges them is a believer, and the deniar of them is a kafir.

    28 – And from Abu ‘l-Mufaddal from `Abdullah b. `Amir [`Abdullah b. Ahmad b. `Amir – in Kifaya] from `Ahmad b. `Abdan (?) from Sahl b. Sayfi (?) from Musa b. `Abd Rabbih from al-Husayn b. `Ali عليهما السلام from the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله in a hadith wherein he said: Whoever claims that he loves the Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله and does not love the Wasi, then he has lied. And whoever claims that he recognizes the Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله and does not recognize the Wasi, then he has become a kafir.

    29 – And from al-Husayn b. `Ali [al-Hasan b. `Ali – in Kifaya] from at-Talla`ukbari from al-Husayn b. Hamdan from `Uthman b. Sa`d [`Uthman b. Sa`id – in Kifaya] from Muhammad b. Mihran from Muhammad b. Isma`il from Khalid b. Mufallisfrom Na`im b. Ja`far from Abu Hamza ath-Thumali from Abu Khalid al-Kabuli from `Ali b. al-Husayn عليهما السلام. He said: I said to him: How many Imams are there after you? He said: Eight, for verily the Imams after the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله are twelve – until he said: And whoever hates us and rejects us or rejects one from us, then he is a kafir in Allah and in His signs.

    34 – And from Muhammad b. Ya`qub (in al-Kafi) from al-Husayn b. Muhammad from Mu`alla from Abu Dawud al-Mustariqq from `Ali b. Maymun from Ibn Abi Ya`fur. He said: I heard Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام saying: Three whom Allah will not speak to them on the day of the resurrection nor purify them, and for them is a painful punishment: One who claims Imamate from Allah (and) it is not for him, and one who denies an Imam from Allah, and one who claims that (either of) them have a share in Islam.

    37 – And from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Sa`id from `Uqda from Muhammad b. al-Fudayl from Sa`dan b. Ishaq and Ahmad b. al-Husayn and Muhammad b. Ahmad b. al-Hasan all fo them from al-Hasan b. Mahbub from al-`Ala b. Razin [`Ali b. Ri’ab – in al-Ghayba] from Muhammad b. Muslim from Abu Ja`far عليه السلام in a hadith wherein he said: Whoever enters upon the morning from this Umma while he has no Imam from Allah, he enters upon the morning errant, confused, astray. If he dies upon this state, he dies the death of kufr and hypocracy.

    38 – And by the isnad from al-Hasan b. Mahbub from Abu Ayyub from Muhammad b. Muslim from Abu Ja`far عليه السلام. He said: I said to him: What do you regard to be the state of someone who denies an Imam from you? So he said: Whoever denies an Imam from the Imams [Allah – in al-Ghayba] and disassociates from him and from his religion, then he is a kafir [and an apostate] from Islam. For, the Imam is from Allah, and his religion is the religion of Allah, and whoever disassociates from the religion of Allah then his blood is halal in that state, unless he returns or repents to Allah from what he said.

    43 – Muhammad b. Ya`qub from `Ali b. Ibrahim from Salih b. as-Sindi from Ja`far b. Bashir from Abu Salama from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام in a hadith wherein he said: Whoever recognizes us is a believer, and whoever denies us is a kafir, and whoever does not recognize us and does not deny us is astray.

    48 – And from al-Husayn b. Muhammad from Mu`alla b. Muhammad from Muhammad b. Jumhur from Yunus from Hammad b. `Uthman from al-Fudayl b. Yassar from Abu Ja`far عليه السلام. He said: Verily Allah `azza wa jalla set `Ali عليه السلام as a sign between Him and His creation. So whoever recognizes him is a believer and whoever denies him is a kafir. And whoever is ignorant of him is astray, and whoever sets something with him is a mushrik. And whoever comes with his walayat enters the Garden.

    49 – And from al-Husayn b. Muhammad from Mu`alla b. Muhammad from al-Washsha from `Abdullah b. Sinan from Abu Hamza. He said: I heard Abu Ja`far عليه السلام saying: Verily `Ali عليه السلام is a gate that Allah `azza wa jalla opened. So whoever enters it is a believer. And whoever exits from it is a kafir.
    إن كان حب آل البيت رفضا فليشهد الثقلان إني رافضي


    من أقوال الإمام الشافعي

    Please Take a look in the Thread Dedicated to our Beloved Prophet PBUH by clicking here.


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    Brother Tripoly Sunni can you help refute the following link...Specially the following part in BOLD

    http://www.alhassanain.com/english/b...habis/002.html




    Hadhrath Umar's saying that the current Qur'an is incomplete

    In Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 8, pages 209-210, we read this sermon delivered by Hadhrath Umar during his last Hajj as Khalifa: "Certainly Allah sent Muhammad with the truth, and revealed to him the Book. One of the revelations which came to him was the verse of stoning. We read it and understood it. "The Messenger of God stoned and we stoned after him. I am concerned that if time goes on, someone may say, 'By God, we do not find the verse of stoning in the Book of God;' thus, the Muslims will deviate by neglecting a commandment the Almighty revealed.

    "Stoning is in the Book of God. It is the right punishment for a person who commits adultery if the required witnesses are available, or there was pregnancy without marriage or adultery is admitted."

    Again, we used to read in what we found in the Book of God:

    "Do not deny the fatherhood of your fathers in contempt because it is disbelief on your part to be ashamed of the fatherhood of your fathers." So Nasibis, tell us where has this verse on stoning gone? Al-Muttaqi 'Ali bin Husam al-Din in his book "Mukhtasar Kanz al-'Ummal" printed on the margin of Imam Ahmad's Musnad, Volume 2, page 2, in his hadith about chapter 33, said that Ibn Mardawayh reported that Hudhayfah said:

    'Umar said to me 'How many verses are contained in the chapter of al-Ahzab?' I said, '72 or 73 verses.' He said it was almost as long as the chapter of the Cow, which contains 287 verses, and in it there was the verse of stoning.

    The revered Sunni scholar al Hafidh Jalaladeen as Suyuti writes:

    "Hadhrath Umar said at the Saqifa that the Qur'an has 1,027,000 letters". "Tafsir al Itqan" by as Suyuti, page 88

    The present Qur'an has 267,033 letters. According to Hadhrath Umar's research the Qur'an should have approximately 90 parts. We should console the Nasibis at their heavy loss - having lost 60 parts of the Qur'an! They themselves advocate that anyone that says the Qur'an has verses missing is a Kaffir thus a verdict on Hadhrath Umar in the light of the above narration will suffice as the final nail in the coffin for them. Perhaps the Nasibis should stop passing fatwas on the Shi'a and focus on Hadhrath Umar! As the saying goes "Those living in glass houses should not throw stones".

    Abdullah ibne Umar's similar Fatwa that the Qur'an is incomplete Suyuti also records the following:

    "No one can proclaim that I have found the Qur'an complete because most of the Qur'an has been lost".

    "Tafsir Duure Manthur" as-Suyuti Volume 1 page 104

    Nasibis swiftly pass kufr on the Shi'a claiming that we believe that the Qur'an is incomplete, whilst they have traditions that suggest that the belief of Hadhrath Umar and his son. If anyone states that to declare tahreef in the Qur'an makes you a Kaffir then there exist many personalities who are accredited by them as Imams who believed in tahreef.

    The Nasibi Scholar Maulana Anwar Shah's Fatwa,
    that there is Tahreef in the Qur'an
    The famous Hadith scholar of the Deobandis Syed Anwar Shah Kashmiri in his recognised Ahl'ul Sunnah work "Fayz ul Bari" writes:

    "It is my analysis based on Sahih al-Bukhari that the Qur'an has tahreef with regards to words and this was an accredited to Hadhrath Uthman's party as an unintentional or intentional mistake".

    "Fayz ul Bari" Anwar Shah page 395 Volume 3 under the Chapter "As Shah'adhat" Maulana Shah has cut the nose of the Deobandi Nasibis without even using a knife! There is no limit to the Nasibis lack of respect. If those who believe in Tahreef are Kaffir then this is aqeedah of the companions and their learned Ulema.



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    Quote Originally Posted by purana.paapi View Post
    Brother Tripoly Sunni can you help refute the following link...Specially the following part in BOLD

    http://www.alhassanain.com/english/b...habis/002.html




    Hadhrath Umar's saying that the current Qur'an is incomplete

    In Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 8, pages 209-210, we read this sermon delivered by Hadhrath Umar during his last Hajj as Khalifa: "Certainly Allah sent Muhammad with the truth, and revealed to him the Book. One of the revelations which came to him was the verse of stoning. We read it and understood it. "The Messenger of God stoned and we stoned after him. I am concerned that if time goes on, someone may say, 'By God, we do not find the verse of stoning in the Book of God;' thus, the Muslims will deviate by neglecting a commandment the Almighty revealed.

    "Stoning is in the Book of God. It is the right punishment for a person who commits adultery if the required witnesses are available, or there was pregnancy without marriage or adultery is admitted."

    Again, we used to read in what we found in the Book of God:

    "Do not deny the fatherhood of your fathers in contempt because it is disbelief on your part to be ashamed of the fatherhood of your fathers." So Nasibis, tell us where has this verse on stoning gone? Al-Muttaqi 'Ali bin Husam al-Din in his book "Mukhtasar Kanz al-'Ummal" printed on the margin of Imam Ahmad's Musnad, Volume 2, page 2, in his hadith about chapter 33, said that Ibn Mardawayh reported that Hudhayfah said:

    'Umar said to me 'How many verses are contained in the chapter of al-Ahzab?' I said, '72 or 73 verses.' He said it was almost as long as the chapter of the Cow, which contains 287 verses, and in it there was the verse of stoning.

    The revered Sunni scholar al Hafidh Jalaladeen as Suyuti writes:

    "Hadhrath Umar said at the Saqifa that the Qur'an has 1,027,000 letters". "Tafsir al Itqan" by as Suyuti, page 88

    The present Qur'an has 267,033 letters. According to Hadhrath Umar's research the Qur'an should have approximately 90 parts. We should console the Nasibis at their heavy loss - having lost 60 parts of the Qur'an! They themselves advocate that anyone that says the Qur'an has verses missing is a Kaffir thus a verdict on Hadhrath Umar in the light of the above narration will suffice as the final nail in the coffin for them. Perhaps the Nasibis should stop passing fatwas on the Shi'a and focus on Hadhrath Umar! As the saying goes "Those living in glass houses should not throw stones".

    Abdullah ibne Umar's similar Fatwa that the Qur'an is incomplete Suyuti also records the following:

    "No one can proclaim that I have found the Qur'an complete because most of the Qur'an has been lost".

    "Tafsir Duure Manthur" as-Suyuti Volume 1 page 104

    Nasibis swiftly pass kufr on the Shi'a claiming that we believe that the Qur'an is incomplete, whilst they have traditions that suggest that the belief of Hadhrath Umar and his son. If anyone states that to declare tahreef in the Qur'an makes you a Kaffir then there exist many personalities who are accredited by them as Imams who believed in tahreef.

    The Nasibi Scholar Maulana Anwar Shah's Fatwa,
    that there is Tahreef in the Qur'an
    The famous Hadith scholar of the Deobandis Syed Anwar Shah Kashmiri in his recognised Ahl'ul Sunnah work "Fayz ul Bari" writes:

    "It is my analysis based on Sahih al-Bukhari that the Qur'an has tahreef with regards to words and this was an accredited to Hadhrath Uthman's party as an unintentional or intentional mistake".

    "Fayz ul Bari" Anwar Shah page 395 Volume 3 under the Chapter "As Shah'adhat" Maulana Shah has cut the nose of the Deobandi Nasibis without even using a knife! There is no limit to the Nasibis lack of respect. If those who believe in Tahreef are Kaffir then this is aqeedah of the companions and their learned Ulema.

    Here is the reply for these shia arguments:

    http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?s...2&#entry115652


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    ^ That's just abrogation, nothing to refute, things were revealed and considered to be part of the Quran, then the Prophet (SAWS) received instructions that they no longer were required to be a part of the Quran, so he told his companions to drop them and they did.
    إن كان حب آل البيت رفضا فليشهد الثقلان إني رافضي


    من أقوال الإمام الشافعي

    Please Take a look in the Thread Dedicated to our Beloved Prophet PBUH by clicking here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by purana.paapi View Post
    The Nasibi Scholar Maulana Anwar Shah's Fatwa,
    that there is Tahreef in the Qur'an
    The famous Hadith scholar of the Deobandis Syed Anwar Shah Kashmiri in his recognised Ahl'ul Sunnah work "Fayz ul Bari" writes:

    "It is my analysis based on Sahih al-Bukhari that the Qur'an has tahreef with regards to words and this was an accredited to Hadhrath Uthman's party as an unintentional or intentional mistake".

    "Fayz ul Bari" Anwar Shah page 395 Volume 3 under the Chapter "As Shah'adhat" Maulana Shah has cut the nose of the Deobandi Nasibis without even using a knife! There is no limit to the Nasibis lack of respect. If those who believe in Tahreef are Kaffir then this is aqeedah of the companions and their learned Ulema.

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    Did al-Kashmīrī Say the Holy Qur’ān was Distorted by `Uthmān (ra)?

    http://www.sunnidefense.com/exp/cont...uthm%C4%81n-ra


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    Journey to shirk - Reviving of Paganism Part 4-4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s90-UYwG1uA&feature=g-all-u
    إن كان حب آل البيت رفضا فليشهد الثقلان إني رافضي


    من أقوال الإمام الشافعي

    Please Take a look in the Thread Dedicated to our Beloved Prophet PBUH by clicking here.


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