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    Default Re: Shiite Twelverite Fatwa, Sleeping with a Prostitute?

    Salam Aleykum,

    Usually just about now a Shiite jumps in and starts talking about How Umar RAA banned Mutah marriage and How we Ahlul Sunnah allow the "Misyar" Marriage (Although I know almost all sunnies stay away from such a marriage).

    Well firstly from the Shiite books:

    قال أمير المؤمنين علي رضي الله عنه :

    (حَرّم رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله يوم خيبر لحوم الحمر الأهلية ، ونكاح المتعة )

    انظر التهذيب 2/186 ، الاستبصار 3/142 ، وسائل الشيعة 14/ 441

    Ali RAA said: The Prophet PBUH forbade The meat of Donkeys and the Nikah of Mutah on the day of Khaybar.

    Al tahtheeb 2/186, Al Istibsar 3/142, Wasael al Shia 14/441.

    So Ali RAA also forbade it.

    As for Misyar, take a look at the Fatwa of grand Ayatullah Al Sistani:


    144 السؤال:
    هل الزواج المعروف بالمسيار الذي يجيزه العامة جائز حسب مذهب اهل البيت - عليهم السلام - ؟
    الفتوى:
    إذا كان المراد عقد النكاح مع اسقاط حق النفقة والقسم فلامانع منه ، وإذا كان هناك شروط اخرى فيه فلابد من ذكرها لننظر فيه .

    Question #144: Is the marriage known as Misyar which the mainstream Muslims practice permitted in the Madhab of AhlulBayt?

    Answer: If the purpose of this is to Make the Nikah while dropping the right of Nafaqah and Al Qassam then it is permitted.

    Link (question 144):
    http://www.alseraj.net/ar/fikh/2/?LO...4340&121&150&5

    -end-

    Also this fatwa by grand Ayatullah al Roohani:

    السؤال: ما حكم زواج المسيار تفصيلاً حسب المذهب الجعفري؟ و ما حكم الزواج العرفي الموجود في مصر؟
    الجواب: باسمه جلت اسمائه
    زواج المسيار ان كان هو الزواج المتعارف مشروطاً بعدم الإرث و عدم النفقة و ما شاكل فهو زواج صحيح و إن كان بنحو غير ذلك فلا ادري كيفيته حتّی احكم عليه بالصحة او عدمها

    Question: What is the ruling on the "Misyar" Marriage according to The Ja'afari Madhab? And what is the ruling on the "Urfi" marriage found in Egypt?

    Answer: If the Marriage of Misyar is the known marriage with the conditions Of Dropping the inheritance And The Nafaqah and their like Then this is a correct marriage, and if it was other than this then I don't know how it works so I cannot make a ruling on it.

    Link: http://www.istefta.com/ans.php?stfid=6249&subid=20

    Al Salam Aleykum,
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    Default Re: Shiite Twelverite Fatwa, Sleeping with a Prostitute?

    Salam aleykum,

    You see this Fatwa here by Ayatullah Hussein Abtahi? ( آية الله سيد حسن أبطحي )

    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34...ord/fatoo4.jpg

    Here's a translation of it:

    Question #465:
    I'm a girl aged 15 years, my father is very religious, and I wear full hijab outside, and alhamdulillah (for that), but my father kisses me very often between my breasts or in my mouth or comes from behind me and hugs me and kisses me on my neck, so I tell him: 'are those actions not haram?' then he tells me: 'they are haram if (done) with lust, but I do this to you with fatherly passion, and the Messenger Muhammad used to kiss his daughter, sayyidah Fatimah, on her neck and between her breasts and on her mouth and suck her tongue, so...did the Messenger fall into indecency with his daughter??? No! And if the Messenger did that then this is a permission for any father to do that with his daughter!' [The girl proceeds:] And then he [her father] tells me: 'I don't touch the awrah, which is the front and the back private part, and all that's not an 'awrah' we're allowed to see, touch, or kiss', and [the girl proceeds] he (says that) he does that too out of worry over me from getting lured by young men, (saying) [i.e,. her father] that the girl who surrenders herself to any young man is one deprived of the feelings of love and tenderness at home, so....[and now she's asking Ayatullah Abtahi] is what my father doing with me halal or haram? And if it's haram, how was the Messenger doing that with his daughter sayyidah Fatimah al-Zahraa'? And Thank you on this useful website.

    Answer [pay attention to its LENGTH]:
    And may Allah's peace, mercy and blessings be upon you. What your father's doing is allowed provided that he abides by what he told you; and that's in his heart, don't think ill of him. And you're welcome."


    Now according To this site:
    http://shia-show.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_archive.html

    I'll quote why his "www.abtahi.com" is no longer working:

    After our brothers in the Muslim (Sunni) forum "Defending the Sunnah" brought this scandal to light, the Abtahi website first changed his answer, then omitted the question, and then totally pulled down the entire website from cyberspace (to a no return inshallah)!!!!! That only proves how scared they are from their truth being known to the world, particularly their ignorant followers!!!! You can see in what they did the level of shame and embarassment he (who issued that 'fatwa' supposedly) and those working on his website felt after the real Muslims (Sunnis) exposed their Shia filth to the world!!!! We have proofs on the changes that were made to his website before it was completely shut down, and we'll present them soon inshallah).


    Another Funny fatwa by Ayatullah al Shirazi this time:

    Link:
    http://www.alshirazi.net/istftaa/12.htm
    ScreenShot:
    http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/q...l/Tadkheen.jpg


    Ruling on Smoking:

    Question: What is the general ruling on Smoking?

    Answer: Smoking is Permissible.


    -----------------------------------------

    Advertising for Smoking:

    Question: Is it permissible in Sharia to encourage smoking via media outlets like TV and newspapers and cinema and art ect...?

    Answer: That is Permissible in itself.


    - end -

    Now you might be thinking, This guy probably doesn't know that smoking is an evil Addiction which is described as slow suicide BUT HE DOES KNOW CHECK THIS FATWA BELOW:

    Question: is it permissible to smoke near believers in the house or office ect ... if the smoker knows that it will harm them and disturb them?

    Answer: You should always consider what is best for the believers.



    JUST LIKE THEIR GRAND AYATULLAH AL KHOEI CONSIDERS WHAT IS BEST FOR THE BELIEVERS HERE:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8JQ6Q22_No

    and here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv9zRmB771w


    Salam Aleykum,
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    Default Re: Shiite Twelverite Fatwa, Sleeping with a Prostitute?

    Salam Aleykum,



    Check out the Love poetry Section, Please use Responsibly.

    LINK: MUTAH-SITE

    Website has 103 Registered Male Profiles and 3 Registered Female profiles, I say Good for the Men who want to keep it clean and Islamic .... yea

    Also check this article ('Pleasure marriages' regain popularity in Iraq):

    ARTICLE_USATODAY

    Salam,


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    Assalamu ALaykum

    May Allah bless Ayatullah Rohani with a long life.. he has done a lot for fiqh studies. His fiqh ul Sadiq is an amazing book from what i can tell. By the way, many shia Maraji' taqleed do not allow for someone to do mut3ah with a prostitute (based on obligatory precaution) (for example Sayyid Sistani does not permit it based on obligatory precaution) Also as for your comment on regarding the spelling of بالمرأة, keep in mind that Sayyid Rohani himself does not type up the text on the website, others do it for him, so what makes you think that one spelling typo is necessarily his fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by TripolySunni View Post
    Al Salam Aleykum,

    Here's a Fatwa on Mutah marriage from the Geniuses of the Twelver Shiite Religion, Grand Ayatullah al Imam al Roohani gives glad tidings to all those fornicating women out there:

    Link:
    http://www.istefta.com/ans.php?stfid=5920&subid=20

    Link:
    http://www.dd-sunnah.net/forum/attac...1&d=1253823417

    Is it possible to do Mutah with women who are famous fornicators(prostitutes)?

    QUESTION?
    Is it possible to do Mutah(temporary Marriage contracts) with women who clearly and publicly say that They want want to sleep with the Man straight away? And that they are Famous Prostitutes and fornicators however we inform them that Mutah marriage is Different than Zinah and that it's a lawful Islamic marriage?

    ANSWER: Bism allah al rahman al raheem,

    It is permissible to make Mutah with the Prostitute and fornicating woman under the condition that she isn't in her "Iddah" period, like if she slept with a Man after making a temporary contract and then they separated without Contradicting the "Iddah" .

    -end-

    So yea it's Amazing these Sexual Fatwas they produce, I mean what Person Says that a Prostitute/Fornicator Has a Iddah period LOL! I mean this guy made a Fatwa for some hardcore Salafies to not only call them Sons of Mutah but call them sons of Prostitutes.

    AND BTW there is a grammatical error in this Fatwa by the Pure Qurayshi Arabian AhlulBayt Member Al Roohani (LoooL) He wrote the word "Woman" Wrong in Arabic it should be"بالمرأة " instead of "بالمرئة " but what can you say to these Persian who claim they're AhlulBayt Hahaha!

    Explanation of Iddah/Iddat click here

    Salam Aleykum,


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    Quote Originally Posted by TripolySunni View Post
    Salam Aleykum,



    Check out the Love poetry Section, Please use Responsibly.

    LINK: MUTAH-SITE

    Website has 103 Registered Male Profiles and 3 Registered Female profiles, I say Good for the Men who want to keep it clean and Islamic .... yea

    Also check this article ('Pleasure marriages' regain popularity in Iraq):

    ARTICLE_USATODAY

    Salam,


    The worst part is that there were actually women on there looking for a "mut`ah partner," describing their bodies and looks to help them find a match.

    May Allah guide them to true Islam.


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    SALAM ALEYKUM !!!! Finally we're back in business and we've got SO MUCH MORE!!

    HUSSEIN's RAA Supposed GRAVE

    Now You gotta Be asking yourself WHERE DOES ALL THE GRAVE MONEY GO!!? Well I will show you why those scholars encourage Visiting and praying to the dead:



    Original image without censor:
    http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/q...iitesMONEY.jpg

    Expect more Corruption from those AYATULLAHS Soon.
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    Salam,

    This might seem like an odd question coming from a sunni, but why is mutah haram considering it is halal in the Qur'an? What's the validity of hadith abrogating Qur'an?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshimitsu View Post
    Salam,

    This might seem like an odd question coming from a sunni, but why is mutah haram considering it is halal in the Qur'an? What's the validity of hadith abrogating Qur'an?
    Salam Aleykum, There are many books about this in Arabic, and while I can't claim to have read them But from what I understood of those who did read them is That The Mutah which was allowed during the days of the Prophet PBUH until khaybar was different than the ZINAH/prostitution they practice today... it had rules and limits... There is a book for example called "Mutah in the kitab and the Sunnah" by Yusuf el muhammadi OR "Shia and Mutah" by muhammad Malul'allah Or "Zawaj el mutah fil Fiqh Shi'i Imami" by Al Zubair Duhan abu Salman ...

    I Suggest try opening a separate TOPIC for Mutah on the forum or check if one already exists in the search and see what answers you'll get.

    NOW BACK TO SHIITES AND PROSTITUTION WITH FATWAS FROM GRAND Ayatullah and Marji'i Al Sistani:


    164السؤال:


    يوجد في مناطق تكون الحالة الاقتصادية فيها سيئة ،
    والنساء في هذه المناطق يتمتعن من أجل كسب المال فقط لا من أجل الشهوة .. فهل يجوز التمتع بهن ؟
    الفتوى:
    يجوز .

    Question 164: In some areas where the economic state is bad and some women do mutah only for the sake of getting money in return and not because of Shahwat(Desires) .. Can I do Mutah with Them?

    Answer By Ayatullah Sistani: It is permissible.

    Source: http://www.alseraj.net/ar/fikh/2/?Tz...4365&151&180&6

    Screen Image: http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/q...WAIMAGE164.jpg

    THERE YOU GO, IF THIS ISN'T SLEEPING WITH PROSTITUTES THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS!

    Another SISTANI fatwa:


    201- السؤال:

    هل يجوز أن تمتعهن المرأة ، أو الفتاة زواج المتعة كمهنة
    ضمن الضوابط الشرعية تعيش وتتكسب من خلالها ؟
    الفتوى:

    يجوز


    Question 201: Is it permissible For a Woman or Girl to practice Mutah within the Sharia Law as a Job which she can live by and gain money?

    Answer: It is permissible.

    Source: http://www.alseraj.net/ar/fikh/2/?Tz...4365&181&210&7

    Screen Image: http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/q...WAIMAGE201.jpg


    Now here are two consecutive ones...




    185_ السؤال:




    هل يستوجب زواج المتعة عقدا على الورق ؟..
    وهل يستوجب شهودا ؟



    الفتوى:



    لا يحتاج .


    Question 185: Does Mutah Marriage require a contract on paper?

    Answer: No.

    Screen Image:http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/q...WAIMAGE185.jpg

    183 السؤال:
    أنا متزوج ، وعندي زوجة واطفال .. فهل يجوز لي أن أتمتع بامرأة أرملة عفيفة ؟
    الفتوى:
    يجوز.


    Question 183: I am married and I have a wife and kids .. So Can I make Mutah with a Pious Widow?

    Answer: YES

    Screen image: http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/q...WAIMAGE183.jpg

    Source:http://www.alseraj.net/ar/fikh/2/?Tz...4365&181&210&7

    thank you for your time,


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    Quote Originally Posted by seyedone View Post
    Assalamu ALaykum

    May Allah bless Ayatullah Rohani with a long life.. he has done a lot for fiqh studies. His fiqh ul Sadiq is an amazing book from what i can tell.
    Yea It's amazing, May Allah Bless him with a Long life so we can see more of his prized works...
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    Salam Aleykum, Twelver Shiite people managed to Shut down the English YOUTUBE channel "ShiaRevealed" and take it off-line, however the channel had re-opened under the name of "ShiismRevealed", Subscribe and enjoy their latest releases:

    Link to Channel:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/ShiismRevealed

    FATIMA WORSHIPED:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voKd-JhXPrA

    Quran first revealed to ALI:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGeo1UUtpj0

    Salam,


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