The Historical Flow of Judaism --> Christianity --> Islam

[Dr. Habib Khan]

From my research, I have discovered:

IN THE BEGINNING, BEFORE THE SCRIPTURES …
-- Almighty God always has had ultimate and absolute control over everything.
-- His #1 arch-angel, Lucifer, was the most intelligent and beautiful of God’s creations.
-- Lucifer, and all angels, and all humans, were created to have free will.
-- After his rebellion, Lucifer’s name was changed to “Satan” (meaning “adversary”).
-- Satan always was against God and His creation, and is a brilliant liar and deceiver.
-- Satan has been allowed to carry out his desires only with God’s permission.
-- Historically, man has always been a hopeless spiritual idiot.
-- God can guide man spiritually (not only through a book).
-- God guided and blessed His chosen ones (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, etc.).
-- God orchestrated thousands of years of history so the Scriptures could be written.

THE OLD COVENANT (TESTAMENT) …
-- The #1 reason for it was to prove man is incapable of satisfying Holy God’s Law.
-- Because of his sin, man is separated from God (thus God owes him nothing).
-- The most common Hebrew term for God is “Elohim”, which is masculine plural.
-- “The Lord is one (echad)”, where "echad" can indicate plurality within unity.
-- God chose the nation of Israel to be His “chosen people” to bring forth the Messiah.
-- God was forced deal harshly with Israel's powerful enemies to protect and sustain it.
-- God proved Himself to Israel through many incredible miracles.
-- Sins were covered by the shed blood of animals, not by following God’s Law.
-- God inspired Moses and other prophets to write Scripture.
-- It contains 300+ prophecies about the life and death of the Messiah.
-- The Ten Commandments were absolutely #1 in importance.
-- The Torah (first 5 books) were sacred to the Jews, and were meticulously copied.
-- Satan always wants to attack God’s Scriptures and God’s people.
-- It contains errors and contradictions (written by imperfect men).
-- Almighty God protected and preserved His major important doctrines.
-- Isaiah prophesied that “Immanuel (God with us)” would be born on the earth.
-- Isaiah prophesied that “Mighty God” would be born on the earth.
-- The Book of Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls verifies the above two facts.
-- The Jews mostly showed unbelief through repeated sin and rebellion.
-- God vowed to curse the Jews with spiritual blindness and disperse them.
-- God vowed to institute a new and better and more personal covenant.

THE NEW COVENANT (TESTAMENT) – INJIL …
-- Messiah Jesus came, preaching His gospel and performing miracles.
-- The Jews (spiritually blind) failed to recognize or accept him.
-- The gospels of Jesus Christ were recorded (28-65 years after his death).
-- The books of his apostles were recorded (10-65 years after his death).
-- The Ten Commandments were all strongly upheld.
-- Sins were covered by the shed blood of Messiah Jesus, and by believing in him.
-- Satan always wants to attack God’s Scriptures and God’s people.
-- It contains errors and contradictions (written by imperfect men).
-- Almighty God protected and preserved His major important doctrines.
-- God had a very logical reason for coming and inhabiting a human body.
-- 70+ verses teach that Messiah Jesus was God, equal to Father God, Creator, etc.
-- Messiah Jesus has many of the same titles and names as does Father God.
-- It taught “the Lord is one” (see above).
-- The Jews always believed and taught the Messiah = the Christ = the Son of God.
-- “Son of God” is only a title; obviously God never produced any offspring.
-- Spiritual Truth is a mystery not solved by man’s logic; God must reveal it.
-- Most of the prophecies about Messiah Jesus were fulfilled (with more to come).
-- God is revealed as having "unconditional" love.
-- It warned that deceiving “angels” and false prophets were coming in the future.
-- It instructed how to test if “spirits”, “angels”, etc. were from God or from Satan.

THE QURAN …
-- An “angel” who called itself “Gabriel” appeared to Mohammed.
-- This “angel” was not tested to determine if it was from God, or from Satan.
-- It contains errors and contradictions (written by imperfect men).
-- It does not uphold all of the Ten Commandments (not murder and not adultery).
-- It contains much different versions of some of the stories in the sacredly-preserved Torah.
-- It teaches against several other major Bible doctrines.
-- Allah is revealed as having "conditional" love.
-- Comparing the two, Allah is obviously not the God of the Bible.

Proofs are available for most of the points above.

[stephane]

From my research, I have discovered:

IN THE BEGINNING, BEFORE THE SCRIPTURES …
-- Almighty God always has had ultimate and absolute control over everything.
-- His #1 arch-angel, Lucifer, was the most intelligent and beautiful of God’s creations.
-- Lucifer, and all angels, and all humans were created to have free will.
-- After his rebellion, Lucifer’s name was changed to “Satan” (meaning “adversary”).
-- Satan always was against God and His creation, and a brilliant liar and deceiver.
-- Satan has been allowed to carry out his desires only with God’s permission.
-- Historically, man has always been a hopeless spiritual idiot.
-- God can guide man spiritually (not only through a book).
-- God guided and blessed His chosen ones (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, etc.).
-- God orchestrated thousands of years of history so the Scriptures could be written.

THE OLD COVENANT (TESTAMENT) …
-- The #1 reason for it was to prove man is incapable of satisfying Holy God’s Law.
-- Because of his sin, man is separated from God (thus God owes him nothing).
-- The most common Hebrew term for God is “Elohim”, which is masculine plural.
-- “The Lord is one (echad)”, where “echad” indicates diversity within unity.
-- God chose the nation of Israel to be His “chosen people” to bring forth the Messiah.
-- God proved Himself to Israel through many incredible miracles.
-- Sins were covered by the shed blood of animals, not by following God’s Law.
-- God inspired Moses and other prophets to write Scripture.
-- It contains 300+ prophecies about the life and death of the Messiah.
-- The Ten Commandments were absolutely #1 in importance.
-- The Torah (first 5 books) were sacred to the Jews, and were meticulously copied.
-- Satan always wants to attack God’s Scriptures and God’s people.
-- It contains errors and contradictions (written by imperfect men).
-- Almighty God protected and preserved His major important doctrines.
-- Isaiah prophesied that “Immanuel (God with us)” would be born on the earth.
-- Isaiah prophesied that “Mighty God” would be born on the earth.
-- The Book of Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls verifies the above two facts.
-- The Jews mostly showed unbelief through repeated sin and rebellion.
-- God vowed to curse the Jews with spiritual blindness and disperse them.
-- God vowed to institute a new and better and more personal covenant.

THE NEW COVENANT (TESTAMENT) – INJIL …
-- Messiah Jesus came, preaching His gospel and performing miracles.
-- The Jews (spiritually blind) failed to recognize or accept him.
-- The gospels of Jesus Christ were recorded (28-65 years after his death).
-- The books of his apostles were recorded (10-65 years after his death).
-- The Ten Commandments were all strongly upheld.
-- Sins were covered by the shed blood of Messiah Jesus, and by believing in him.
-- Satan always wants to attack God’s Scriptures and God’s people.
-- It contains errors and contradictions (written by imperfect men).
-- Almighty God protected and preserved His major important doctrines.
-- God had a very logical reason for coming and inhabiting a human body.
-- 70+ verses teach that Messiah Jesus was God (equal to Father God).
-- Messiah Jesus has many of the same titles and names as does Father God.
-- It taught “the Lord is one” (see above).
-- The Jews always believed and taught the Messiah = the Christ = the Son of God.
-- “Son of God” is only a title; obviously, God never produced any offspring.
-- Spiritual Truth is a mystery not solved by man’s logic; God must reveal it.
-- Most of the prophecies about Messiah Jesus were fulfilled (with more to come).
-- It warned that deceiving “angels” and false prophets were coming in the future.
-- It instructed how to test if “spirits”, “angels”, etc. were from God or from Satan.

THE QURAN …
-- An “angel” who called itself “Gabriel” appeared in visions to Mohammed.
-- This “angel” was not tested to determine if it was from God or from Satan.
-- It does not uphold all of the Ten Commandments (not murder and not adultery).
-- It contains much different versions of some of the stories in the sacred Torah.
-- It teaches against several other major Bible doctrines.
-- It contains errors and contradictions (written by an imperfect man).
-- Comparing the two, Allah is obviously not the God of the Bible.

Proofs are available for most of the points above.

Hi,



1) Abraham is our father he made a divine alliance ( See the family tree )

Surah 2

130] And who turns away from the religion of Abraham but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: And he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous.

2) God send Moses with the THora to JEWS

3) God send JESUS to correct jews with AL-INJIL

4) The prophete MoHamed SWS was sent to arabic first and all humanity and to correct the THORA AND Al-INJIL


3 Prophetes, 3 books and one god what is the problem ?

[Dr. Habib Khan]

Stephane,
I have no problem. I think you need to read more carefully.

[DefendingIslam]

Comparing the two, Allah is obviously not the God of the Bible.

Obviously, since Allah as mentioned in the Qur'an is the Supreme Perfect Deity while the "god' of the Bible -taken as a whole- is a jumble of incoherence who cannot even keep himself out of contradictory characteristics and imperfect traits, and is probably the concoction of those opposed to the concept of a supreme Deity altogether. The number of such illogical matters are many and obvious to anyone who does even a casual study in the matter.

Even if discussing Judaism only, there are a number of exteremely abhorent beliefs in their religion which can never be accepted by Islam, since the fact is that when people stray away from the path of Allah then their beliefs become corrupted and defiled.

[stephane]

Stephane,
I have no problem. I think you need to read more carefully.

Give me proof about the Quran, I will be curious to read you , thanking you in advance.

[davidovitch]

From my research, I have discovered:


THE OLD COVENANT (TESTAMENT) …

-- It contains errors and contradictions (written by imperfect men).
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THE NEW COVENANT (TESTAMENT) – INJIL …
-- It contains errors and contradictions (written by imperfect men).

Interesting. You flippantly admit your holy book has errors and contradictions, then you sweep this bombshell under the carpet as if it's no big deal.
Don't you see the consequence of your beliefs? If your Holy books contain errors and contradictions, THE BOOKS CANNOT BE USED AS A SOURCE OF LAW OR AS A SOURCE OF A MORAL CODE. That's because we don't know what's real in there, and what's a load of old rubbish.

-- Spiritual Truth is a mystery not solved by man’s logic; God must reveal it.

Isn't this a cheap get-out clause because you know your doctrines don't make sense. (Maybe the doctrine of Jesus' divinity is an 'error', no?

THE QURAN …
-- An “angel” who called itself “Gabriel” appeared in visions to Mohammed.
ANS: It wasnt a vision. The PRophet was squeezed 3 times by the Angel. In a vision, you could imagine that once, and then you'd wake up. But not 3 times. Also, isn't the book of Revelation a bunch of visions. Couldn't that be a bunch of Satanic visions?
-- This “angel” was not tested to determine if it was from God or from Satan.
ANS: If the angel was a devil, do you think he would condemn Satan multiple times, as the Quran does?
-- It does not uphold all of the Ten Commandments (not murder and not adultery).
ANS: It DOES. - Laa taqtulun nafsal lati harramallahu. and laa taqrabuz zinaa.
-- It contains much different versions of some of the stories in the sacred Torah.
ANS: they are not different versions. God does not repeat the whole story each time. He gives a few different details each time. It is then up to us to piece the bits togethor and work out the narrative. It's much more exciting do to it that way.
-- It teaches against several other major Bible doctrines.
ANS: that's because the bible is WRONG and has ERRORS and CONTRADICTIONS in it.
-- It contains errors and contradictions (written by an imperfect man).
ANS: Even if if did (and it doesn't) that shouldn't be a problem for you - you admit that your holy books have errors and contradictions in them, so why can't other holy books have them too?
-- Comparing the two, Allah is obviously not the God of the Bible.
ANS: Yes. The God of the Bible is a weak, impotent man who gets the hell beaten out of him, is sworn at and insulted, betrayed and eventually hammered to a cross. This 'god' then dies from bleeding, before miraculously recreating himself like a Phoenix. The God of the Quran is "ala kulli shayin qadir" - able to do anything and "laa yujizuhu shayun" - nothing and noone can go against his will

Finally, here is a fantastic Youtube video that shows the beliefs of Jesus were very different to the belifs of Christians today. The video reveals the early Christians believed in a human Jesus, and that insisders - hypocrites - then DELIBERATELY changed the teachings of Jesus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkbv3...eature=related


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[Dr. Habib Khan]

Defender,
You also are not reading/understanding the article.

[DefendingIslam]

Defender,
You also are not reading/understanding the article.

If you continue to insist that the New Testament is the Injil, why should we bother to read your lies?

[Dr. Habib Khan]

Davidovich,
Most of what you've written is easily proven to be rubbish (lies?).
If you insist, I'll have to go through and prove it to you.

[Dr. Habib Khan]

Defender,
Muslims say Injil is different things ... take your pick:
Bible, NT, or gospels only.
Who/what should I believe? Instruct me.