Aqeedah brother aqeedah! akh aqeeda!!

[SomeGuySeekingKnowledge]

What's with this aqeedah business. I don't need you brother to remind me of aqeedah every chance you get!! Seriously, this is one of the reasons brothers who come back to Islam end up leaving it. The emphasis and extreme narrow viewpoints that some people hold on some subjects (ie aqeedah) cause brothers to stop going to the masjid. It's not just this aqeedah business by salafis, it's the dawah business too by tablighis (which I hold much respect for btw), there's time for everything inshaAllah, just don't jam everything all the time, it only creates more distance between the masjid and brothers. Be friendly with brothers, win their trust and then you give him dawah knowing where the other party is coming from..etc

Sadly it's like the shias who talk about karbala all the time....or the barelvis who only know to sing.

What are your views?


ps: forgive me for using "business" term.

[abulayl]

its like where the groups put more importance, nothing else.like muhaddith put more importance on hadith searcing, faqihs on fiqh. all are important.

[ibn Mikael]

What's with this aqeedah business. I don't need you brother to remind me of aqeedah every chance you get!! Seriously, this is one of the reasons brothers who come back to Islam end up leaving it. The emphasis and extreme narrow viewpoints that some people hold on some subjects (ie aqeedah) cause brothers to stop going to the masjid. It's not just this aqeedah business by salafis, it's the dawah business too by tablighis (which I hold much respect for btw), there's time for everything inshaAllah, just don't jam everything all the time, it only creates more distance between the masjid and brothers. Be friendly with brothers, win their trust and then you give him dawah knowing where the other party is coming from..etc

Sadly it's like the shias who talk about karbala all the time....or the barelvis who only know to sing.

What are your views?


ps: forgive me for using "business" term.

While I can understand how one could be somewhat annoyed by constant debating on such issues, it's also very important nowadays to address aqidah. One of the main problems facing the Muslim community is improper aqidah, so to not address this at all would be highly detrimental. This is especially the case for Muslims in the West who are easily deceived by groups such as the Salafis.

[AbuFatimah]

parhaps people keep talking about aqeedah because aqeedah is important. If aqeedah wasnt important we could just unite with christians because our difference with them and all other religions are down to aqeedah

[SomeGuySeekingKnowledge]

parhaps people keep talking about aqeedah because aqeedah is important. If aqeedah wasnt important we could just unite with christians because our difference with them and all other religions are down to aqeedah

Bro, I understand your point but there's a limit to everything. The Muslim down the street didn't even know the word "aqeedah" until some1 told him, and now he is tooo confused to the point that he's about to forget Islam altogether. The extremism in all groups is fitna which leads others astray.

[AbuFatimah]

Bro, I understand your point but there's a limit to everything. The Muslim down the street didn't even know the word "aqeedah" until some1 told him, and now he is tooo confused to the point that he's about to forget Islam altogether. The extremism in all groups is fitna which leads others astray.

But can you imagine the prophet myhammad sallallahu alayhi wassalam warning people of the day of judgement and teaching them tawheed and then people complaining that its driving away the muslims and so he's stops teaching aqeedah? Aqeedah means beliefs. What is religion without belief. We dont even need muslims who dont care about aqeedah. The word aqeedah comes from a word meaning to tie a knot because its a belief that you tie to your heart. Its obligatory to learn aqeedah and there is very little point in even being a muslim if you dont learn and believe in muslim aqeedah. The primary goal of ALL prophets was to correct peoples aqeedah.

Sorry akhi but it really doesnt matter if people cant hack learning aqeedah. Its like the converts in the time of the prophet salallahu alayhi wassalam who wanted to become muslim but keep their idols. You could argue that if the prophet salallahu alayhi wassalam let them keep their idols theRe would have been more muslims but that defeats the whole point because its from our aqeedah (belief) that worshipping an idol means you Are not muslim and that you'll go to hell forever and that the muslims only need you to abandon shirk, they dont need you for jihad or increasing their numbers or anything. Your aqeedah is obligatory, its what differentiates the kafir from the muslim and the sunni(person of sunnah) from the mubtadi(person of innovation).

Do you think saying la ilaha ilallah was enough for people? Do you think that if the quraish still worshipped idols that the prophet salallahu alayhi wassalam would be pleased with their shahada and would be pleased for them to chill with the muslims and help them? Even the prophets own uncle abI talib is in the hellfire dispite the great things he did for the prophets cause and thats because of aqeedah. Aqeedah is what will save you from the hellfire. Its also the reason the muslims are in a mess, because our deen is so currupted. People blame america and israel etc but its actually our fault the ummah is in a mess bevause we're in a state of such deviation in our aqeedah and ibadah and avoiding the haram etc. E.g. Do you think allah will give us khilafah while people like the barelwis believe that the prophet salallahu alayhi wassaLam is made from nuur and has knowledge of the ghaib and can intercede in our dua? This is a matter of aqeedah and is very important akhi

If you feel the brothers who spoke to you werent good mannered or didnt have hikna thats different though

Whats the first thing you call a non muslim to? Pray 5 times a day? How they should side with the palestinians over the israelis? Khilafah? "zicker"?

The first thing we call them to is aqeedah, tawheed. And its the first thing we correct when a muslim starts to practice and take his deen seriously. A muslim who outwardly practices but does not have iman (faith) is not a mu'min and will not go to paradise. Tawheed is the first priority for all muslims. Its the difference between jahanam and jannah. Bare in mind, faith in the other aspects of aqeedah is obligatory to. You have to believe in angels and the scriptures and messengers and qadr and yawmil quiyama. All is obligatory. You become kafir if you disbelieve in tjis things so its a serious issue. Even if you believe allah is everywhere your a kafir. and being a kafir means the hellfire forever. So there is no benefit to calling urseLf muslim but not being a muslim internally via the beliefs tied to your heart. Thats why we call to aqeedah even if people dislike it. There is no islam without aqeedah. If u give examples of ur particular situation though, perhaps they have not spoken about the issue in the right manner with you. in our salafi masjid we get a lot of brothers start practicing again attend the aqeeah classes

['Abdullaah]

On a lighter note, brother David just gave what we usually term as the tableeghi bayan. (i am complimenting you brother David, do not misunderstand me).
It just goes to show how different da'wah efforts are working towards the same goal (correcting one's belief).
May Allaah accept our efforts and keep us guided. Ameen.

[Eissa]

Salam
Ive been wanting to know an answer to a question but i dont feel i get the specific answer instead i am given a very general answer, which kind of doesnt really answer it,
The Question is what Aqeeda do the "Salafis", (Ghair Muqallids, Laa Madhabiyyah, Pseudo Salafis) belief or accept?
By WHAT, i am looking for Mutazila , matrudi, ashari, Zahirri etc or whatever or EVEN if they dont have a specific School of Thought Maybe the have a book that EVERY "Salafis", (Ghair Muqallids, Laa Madhabiyyah, Pseudo Salafis) could point to and say that is what we ALL believe,
(please dont say quran and hadith and sahaba and salaf because i am a layman who doesnt know how to do Ijtihaad hence i wont be able to check. but instead if i am told maybe a book or a school of thought it will be much easier)
Brother Dawood (David ) hope you could help me

[saqfu]

i believe aqeedah is very important because it is the foundation of iman. if ur aqeedah is wrong u will end up dying on kufffar, and it doesnt matter how much u prayed, read darood sharief ect... it will not matter. thats why aqeedah should be stressed over and over and over again. its that important. im a sufi and there r people with kashf in our silsala, they tell us that hardly anyone is dying with iman anymore, the reason they cited was because people aqeedah was wrong, that the aqaid of the majority of the muslim ummat has gone wrong.

look at brelwis especially dawat-e-islami they all have sunnat beards, read naats and darood-o-salam. one would come to believe that they r the true ashkay rasool pbuh but they dont even die with iman, because the brelwis aqaid are all wrong. so u c in a world like today where nearly all of the ummat is dying on kuffar due to incorrect aqeedah, correct aqeedah must be stressed extremely severly.

[Zubair]

Akh Someguyseekingknowledge - You're absolutly correct on both grounds, on the one hand some tablighis keep bothering brothers when they know it will do no good. I haven't done many tablighi things, but one time i did go with some brothers to another brothers house, this is chillah i think, and the guest was happily talking but he didn't want to go out and do chillah or go three days, and he's a practicing muslim and didn't want to hear about something he's been told a million times, about Iman. And let's just say the guest and his wife weren't happy. In regards to Aqidah, yes some people have started making it a fitnah and claiming everyone is deviant. Aqidah is simple, tahawiya is aqidah, there's no need to ask about what do you thinki of this sifat, and how is the kalam of ALlah ta'ala, etc. My shaykh said that before salafis arrived in Bosnia or some other place, the people were fine, they were doing their basics and were praying etc, but once salafis started their usual fitnah, the community broke apart, what was once a peacefully harmonious community broke up into unnecessary debates.