If millions of muslim make Dua for the dead muslims, ...
then the punishment in grave should stop soon for each dead muslim, or?
You will get punished until someone makes Dua for you to forgive him. This is so, if one person makes Dua and this Dua is accepted.
But billions of muslims make Dua for ALL dead muslims, so I was just wondering what happens then...
Re: If millions of muslim make Dua for the dead muslims, ...
Originally Posted by chackodepacko
well first of all u need to be a muslim for ur dua to be accepted. out of the over 1 billion muslims today only a few 100,000 r true muslims. our own sufi seniors who have kashf say themselves that in some places like the uk 97% of muslims die on kuffar. the prophet pbuh said that allah does not accept accept the dua of a person with a ghafil qalb. as most muslims of this ummat r not really muslims because their aqaid r wrong hence have ghafil qalbs and therefore their duas r never accepted.
2ndly the main reasons for the punishments muslims r suffering from are due to haqooq-ul-ibad (peoples rights) if u go into ur grave having abused people rights and did not rectify it or get those abuses forgiven from the ones u abused, then no amount of dua can stop the punishments. my own shaikh who had kashf and therefore was very aware of what is happening oin the graves of the ummat stated that alot of muslims r in punishment due to failures in haqooq ul ibad.
also people duas do not get accepted because they themsleves are failing in the haqooq ul ibad department. plus their rizak may be haram. there r other reasons as well.
Re: If millions of muslim make Dua for the dead muslims, ...
But, then 99% of todays muslim will taste the punishment in grave. I mean, all muslims have one day abused people's right. i dont mean those big abusements, but also the small abusements (which someone has done when he was young). For example when you borrowed 1 pound and you forgot about it later to give it back...then you have abused someone's haq...
Re: If millions of muslim make Dua for the dead muslims, ...
whoever he is, he must be really confident about himself?
Re: If millions of muslim make Dua for the dead muslims, ...
As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu
This is a very important statement. Plz provide Authentic Reference of hadith u mentioned.
Salam
Re: If millions of muslim make Dua for the dead muslims, ...
Assalam aleykoum brother,
You have not to worrie about the grave punishment because he does not exist.
You find it in Hadeeths which are in contradiction with the quran about the Soul and death.
1) Are we alive or dead in the Grave ?
Re: If millions of muslim make Dua for the dead muslims, ...
sorry my mistake, it was actually me who came up withj this figure. i will explain why as well.
whoever he is, he must be really confident about himself?
1stly i am a sufi and in my silsala there r people with kashf, they tell us what is happening in peoples graves such as princess diana, sadam hussain, dr israr ahmed and the imam of the red mosque who got martyred.
they tell us that hardly anyone is dying with iman. one one person we know really well in london who has kashf came to bradford and went to a graveyard to to read dua for a person we new really well who had passed away. he told us that person was in punishments, he also told us that he checked the first row of the graveyard and saw that only 3 people had died with iman. that gives u an idea of how many people in the grave yard have died with iman.
look at my sheikh, he had kashf as well. he carried out an statistical analysis of the muslim ummat to see how many people r not in punishments in their grave. he found that in some countries it is only 3% while others it is 7 or 9% the highest was pakistan and saudi arabia which was 12%. this shows the extent of how many people r dying on kuffar.
2ndly the 97% figure i came up with was due to a doctor who worked in a hospital in the uk who wrote a book in which he stated that he only witnessed 3 people read kalma at time of death from a 100 muslims. thats where i got the 97% from. this should give u an idea of how many people in uk r dying on kuffar.
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im really sorry but i didnt read this hadith so cant provide u any references, i was told this hadith by some very pious person more than once. therefore u must accept this hadith even if u find it very unsetteling.
u see i heard a story from 2 different places. there was a waliullah that had kashf. he saw a person clinging on to the kaba crying, but when the wali checked that persons qalb he saw that the persons qalb was ghafil and thus had no connection with allah at all. he then went to the market and saw some one selling things. the wali checked that persons qalb and saw that it was not even ghafil for one second.
the only was to prevent ur qalb from being ghafil is by doing zikr-e-qalby. there is no other way.
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i must say i am dissapointed in poeple like u and david. the sad thing is that allah gave u hadiyat and showed u the truth of islam but after converting there seem to be a very high chance that u will die on kuffar because ur beliefs were all wrong. isnt this the worst thing of all to become a muslim but still end up dying on kuffar because ur beliefs were never correct.
those that deny the punishment of the grave r kaffirs as u r rejecting hadithes.
what u need to understand is that we have a rooh (spirit) in our bodies, when we die our bodies decompose, but the rooh remains intact. it is on the rooh that that the graves punsihments is sustained upon. so u c the hadithes do not contradict the quran. it is only ur ignorance that is causing u to think that there is a contradiction. please learn islam from true scholars. look u dont even have a madhab!
Re: If millions of muslim make Dua for the dead muslims, ...
Brother Saqfu, I think it would be very beneficial for you if you went to meet a reliable aalim to clarify your understanding of kashf. Judging by your posts on a whole, I think you may have misunderstood the limitations of kashf and what can be procured from it. Indeed, kashf is achievable in many instances but you may find that you are overemphasising its importance and procurement.
Just some sincere advice. I hope you are not offended. Maybe you could meet with Brother xs11ax or Brother Intrepid as they are local to you and ask them to take you to a reliable scholar.
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