Mawlana Thanwi (rahmatullahi Alayhi) on Kashmir

[akabirofdeoband]

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[FazalKhan]

Salam Alakum,

Very interesting. Thanks for posting. Topical post about:-
"Whilst visiting Lahore Hazrat Thanvi(alayhi rahmah) began by visiting the grave of Daata Ganj Baksh. He arrived in the morning at a time when there was an abundance of pilgrims. As was his usual habit he stood near the grave with his hands hanging by his sides, to make isaal-e-thawab.
Doctor sahib was standing behind Hazrat Thanvi(alayhi rahmah). Seeing him standing in this fashion a broad attendant gave a piercing shout saying “Fold your arms when you stand!”
Hazrat Thanvi’s attention didnt go to this voice . Doctor sahib tried to explain to that chap but he wouldn’t understand. He kept exclaiming the same thing and each time would raise his voice further. Hazrat’s attention and focus remained undisturbed.
After he finished, Hazrat said
Daata Ganj Baksh was an amazing personality. What tremendous majesty he possesses, even after death he is governing.

Source

Hairat-Angaiz Waqiat p.352

[SY1]

even after death he is governing??

can someone please explain that statement? was that person shouting somehow related to Daata Fareed Baksh governence?

[Abu Hamza Deccani]

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salaam,
consider this quote of Hazrat Thanwi from the above in the context of suicide operations "Even if a benefit results from suicide it’s still not a permissible course of action. What then of suicide where there benefit for anyone? If it becomes known that committing suicide will affect and harm the kuffar , will suicide become permissible? IS going to jail and having hungerstrikes not on a par with suicide? If a benefit becomes apparent from suicide , the act of suicide in itself is such a tremendous harm that has no recompense. Not every supposed benefit is to be relied upon. "
Q : Man Qatala doona Idhahu ma maalahu Fa huwa Shaheed. This establishes the permissibility of forgoing one’s life . Strikes and such like seem to be plausible within in this rubric.

A: Qatl does not mean suicide. But it means fighting. In other words Fight. Wage war,. The intention is that you save your possessions and your life. Then if by chance you happen to die, then it is shahadat. Qatl Itself is not maqsood(the end in itself). But if it happens in the course of qitaal, then it is permissible. SO Qitaal not Qatl is permitted and then only if all the conditions for it being allowed are found and none of conditions to make it impermissible are present(and these are delineated in great depth in the works of Fiqh). And Qatl not being maqsood is established in the Quran because everywhere we see Yaqtuluna (with seegha majhool) , after this we see Yuqtaloona (be seegha maroof). So we see yuqtaloona is not maqsood but sometimes results as a side effect of yaqtuluna.

Q: We don’t have the full power(qudrah) . But the little that we do possess, how should we utlise it. After all we ought to do something?

A: You can tell me what should be done. I don’t know any better than saying that you should do tableegh and teach them the deen and after that fight. I ask you, after the Hijrah , there was great peril for the lives of some of the muslims who were left in Makkah. The people of madina didn’t send any delegations there. Until the ayahs of qital were not revealed, there was no course of action adopted other than Sabr. This is the only form of Islamic struggle we know, all these other innovations are rejected.

Q Perhaps these matters were not known then . Had it been so wars would have been like this

A It becomes evident these are intellectual constructions rather than revealed things. The sahaba too were men of intelligence. Great matters entered their minds, so why did these things not? Did not one of these strategems occur to them? The only thing that did was Qital and that too only when the verses of Qital came. The questions come that in the course of Islamic history why did no-one come up with these ideas. In 1300 years did not such conditions of oppression manifest, then why did no one suggest these things?
The other thing I would mention is that was there not power in the muslims who were left in Makkah post-hijrah. If you say they didn’t have the power to mount an offensive I say you are absolutely mistaken . They had such power that before it the power of the entire Indian Government is completely overshadowed.