Who was Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi ?

[mansoormj]

Brother, anyone can make a blog that is full of hate, there are millions of blogs like the one you highlighted.

End of the day we should say we are muslim. Just because one goes to a barelvi or deoband masjid doesnt make him any better than the person that does not. I dont go around saying I am barelwi or deoband, in fact these two terms are from places in India...

Brother lets not side track on the discussion. Point out any flaws in posts related to Raza khan. Information in above posts is put forward to you, check them and reply if you have anything to say. These comments from Raza khan supposedly learned man are disgusting.

Firstly do you agree the quotations from Ahmed Raza Khan are true?

Secondly : Do you think these quotes made by Raza khan make any sense?

Lastly: How much of your people are following his quotes and believe to be true?

[Abdul1234]

Everything quoted in this thread so far is very troubling to the mind.

May Allah safeguard us all from going astray. Ameen!!

Maybe that is because it is a discussion that has been repeated a million times by laymen,

a discussion that goes nowhere and leaves Barelvis and Deobandis as they started and leaves Sunnis who are not from the subcontinent baffled in its intensity.

Personally I'm pretty sure in my heart of hearts that the Ulema of Deoband are very guided, that they are close to the Islam of the Prophet (saws) and that their spiritual inspirations have been correct

whilst the Barelvis are a little confused in some areas of their religion with a tendency to have some bizarre ideas about the Deobandis past and present...

I'm certainly not suggesting that wrong Barelvi statements about Deobandis should not be challenged and I am not suggesting that obviously wrong Barelvi ideas shouldn't be challenged either...

but at the end of the day Ahmed Raza Khan (ra) passed away a long time ago, as did those Alims he criticized by name.

I can understand why the wrong ideas held by Barelvis should be challenged,

but I can't help wondering if it is really necessary for people to attack a long dead man who is is held in regard for some of his scholarly works by many Arab Sunni scholars who are far from the excesses of Barelvism?

[SeekerOfGuidance]

Maybe that is because it is a discussion that has been repeated a million times by laymen,

a discussion that goes nowhere and leaves Barelvis and Deobandis as they started and leaves Sunnis who are not from the subcontinent baffled in its intensity.

Personally I'm pretty sure in my heart of hearts that the Ulema of Deoband are very guided, that they are close to the Islam of the Prophet (saws) and that their spiritual inspirations have been correct

whilst the Barelvis are a little confused in some areas of their religion with a tendency to have some bizarre ideas about the Deobandis past and present...

I'm certainly not suggesting that wrong Barelvi statements about Deobandis should not be challenged and I am not suggesting that obviously wrong Barelvi ideas shouldn't be challenged either...

but at the end of the day Ahmed Raza Khan (ra) passed away a long time ago, as did those Alims he criticized by name.

I can understand why the wrong ideas held by Barelvis should be challenged,

but I can't help wondering if it is really necessary for people to attack a long dead man who is is held in regard for some of his scholarly works by many Arab Sunni scholars who are far from the excesses of Barelvism?

Unlike extremism in other Maslaks, where the inappropriate behaviour of the masses do not necessarily reflect that of their scholars, the extremism of the Barelwis stems directly from their strong attachment to the deception, lies, behaviour and rhetoric of Maulana Ahmad Raza Khan.

The Barelwi brothers who behave more reasonably, do so on account of swallowing the very difficult to digest fact that their infallible Imam, may actually be fallible, if not an outright deceiver.

[taht18]

can anyone translate the arabic portions? JazakAllah

[jaalhaq92]

Brother lets not side track on the discussion. Point out any flaws in posts related to Raza khan. Information in above posts is put forward to you, check them and reply if you have anything to say. These comments from Raza khan supposedly learned man are disgusting.

Firstly do you agree the quotations from Ahmed Raza Khan are true?

Secondly : Do you think these quotes made by Raza khan make any sense?

Thirdly : How much of your people are following his quotes and believe to be true?

Yes i believe the words of Ala Hazrat Imam Ahmed Raza Khan are true

[mansoormj]

Let me ask you again

Do you agree the quotations by Ahmed Raza Khan in this thread posted by brothers here are true?

Do you think these quotes made by Raza khan make any sense?

See previous posts in this thread and answer.

[At Tayyib]

Yes i believe the words of Ala Hazrat Imam Ahmed Raza Khan are true

But his words turned out to be False! What do we make of you then?

[jaalhaq92]

Let me ask you again

Do you agree the quotations by Ahmed Raza Khan in this thread posted by brothers here are true?

Do you think these quotes made by Raza khan make any sense?

See previous posts in this thread and answer.

Which quotes (post no._ are you talking about brother?

[mansoormj]

Which quotes (post no._ are you talking about brother?

Ok, Post 1 by Abul_Hussain quoting from the book Subhan al-Subbuh

"A woman is capable of committing fornication. Then according to the opinion of your leader and teacher, it is necessary that your God too should be capable of committing fornication - otherwise the prostitutes of the brothers of the Deobandi's would laugh at Him and say: 'How do you claim for Godhead? You are not capable of doing which even we can do?' This naturally implies that your God must possess a female sexual organ - otherwise where will be the sexual intercourse?"
(Ahmad Raza Khan in his Subhan al-Subbuh. P. 142)

Brother do you claim the statement mentioned above made by Raza Khan in the book Subhan al-Subbuh is falsely attributed to him? Please find out in the book and let me know if you have to say anything.

[abuhajira]

Ok, Post 1 by Abul_Hussain quoting from the book Subhan al-Subbuh

Brother do you claim the statement mentioned above made by Raza Khan in the book Subhan al-Subbuh is falsely attributed to him? Please find out in the book and let me know if you have to say anything.

@all Please keep adab in mind. Do not mock/mudsling Ml. Ahmed Raza Khan Saheb or anyone else. If a discussion is intended, conduct it in an academical tone. Thats it. I agree that Ml Khan Saheb's tone himself is very condescending in his books, but we can be the better ones and only tackle the academics of it.

@mansoormj I do not have the scan for Subhan al Subooh, but here is the similar quote from its ikhtisaar "Subhanus Subooh kay Bagh key Daman"

subhanus subuh mukhtasar.JPG