Murshid e Alam Peer Ghulam Habib Naqshbandi Mujaddidi

[Ali al-Hanafi]

As per Mufti Zar Wali Khan sahib, there's Aameen bil Jahr, and Aameen bis Sirr, but salafi aameen is Aameen bish-sharr.

Hadhrat Mawlana Ameen Safdar Okarwi (rahmatullahialayh) says to the effect that it's one thing to say Ameen aloud but it's another to make the Azaan of Ameen .

[Aseatic]

I have seen many people pray, some who just let their arms hang down (I later learn are Malikis), I have seen some Indians with hands under the navel. I saw some Arabs with hands on shoulders.

But I confess I have never ever seen, not even on TV, someone praying with hands on neck. If I saw that in a masjid I would start to giggle and be unable to concentrate.

[dr76]

brother, this is not nice. Shawafi fold their hands above navel, While women on the their chest. Malikiya move their fingers during Tashahud. Shawafi and Hanbli say Ameen aloud with madd. So if we are not hasty in calling them all names because their fiqh may be different than us, then we neednt call Salafis names as well.

Best is to present the academic discourse, and leave the matters in hand of Allah.

Assalam alaikum w.w..

Dear maulana saheb..while the shawafi..hanafi.. Hanbali and maliki follow the foot steps of sahabah the salafis are not a fiqhi madhab but a ' nafsi ' madhab..and r a serious deviation from the ahlus sunnah.
their usool is based solely to create mischeif and hold grudge against as'haab taqleed especially Imam Azam Abu Hanifa (rah). like the salafi deputy Imam of our masjid who while claimng to be an aalim says that only 500 ahadees are such that none can lift thier finger on..meaning to say that according to him the remaining vast kutub of hadees are all mashkook..nauzubillah.. when I asked about this mas'alah to a shafi'i Nadwi Alim.. he said that if it were his belief then he would fall under the munkiraan e hadees or hadees rejectors.. and that salah behind him would not be valid..
as for insulting the awliya karaam.. Hazrat maulana Ashraf Ali thanvi (rah) says that its not kufr to disobey the awliya but to insult them surely makes one to die on kufr.( this he has deduced from the ayah of Qur'an whose interpretation means that Allah declares war on those that insult his auliya).
and in fatawa Rasheediya and Irshadaat e gangohi Hazrat Maulana Rasheeb Ahmed Gangohi sb (rah) says that when dead their faces r turned away from the qiblah.. and if u wish.. dig open their graves and see..
also Shaikh dr.Ismail memon sb db has written a book called - Auliya allah ke ihaanat ka wabaal comprising of 2 volumes on this subject .
I was speaking the other day to an old man whoz a mureed of Hazrat maulana Nafees shah sb (rah) khalifa of Hazrat maulana Abdul Qadir raipuri sb (rah) that his previous shaikh ( ive forgotten the name) also khalifah of of hazrat Raipuri (rah) once said to him that ' ye to Ahle khabees hai '. now the old man dint like such words coming from the shaikh then.. but after sometime he saw those words coming true..
Also hazrat Maulana Anzar shah kashmiri sb (rah) said once that if these ppl would not stop thier mischief then we would start a movement agaisnt them similar to the one we started against the qadianis..
so dear maulana its not wrong.. but justified and in line with our ulema.. and we should guard ourselves and the ahlus sunnah from this fitnah..

wa assalam..

[akabirofdeoband]

Mawlana Tahanwi(alayhi rahmah) would give bay'ah to some of the ahlal hadeeth. He didn't go around mocking them.
Shaykh ul Hadith had good relations with some of the salafiyyah.

We have academic disagreements with some of their points, but let us keep adab.

As for the ameen bis sharr comment it was not mufti zarwali sahib's but originally from
Mawlana Tahanwi(alayhi rahmah)

[abuhajira]

Assalam alaikum w.w..so dear maulana its not wrong.. but justified and in line with our ulema.. and we should guard ourselves and the ahlus sunnah from this fitnah..

wa assalam..

I do not feel that you have understood the mizaaj of deobandi ulama. Or rather maybe I have misunderstood their mizaj. That post you posted about Salafies was baseless mockery. It was pointless and was the tarz of the barelwiya. I distance myself from that and stick to academic tarz.

Br. Usman,

Shawafi fold their hands on their batn or chest. The salafies do not fold on their necks. That is the mockery. All the other opinions brought up in the post are adopted by one of the madhab. The munkar which you guys wish to make dhamm of is not the opinions, rather their way of adopting those opinions. Mentioning those oipnions as a mock is mockery to those opinions in the madhahib, whether we like it or not.

Ameen bish sharr is bish shar perhaps when the ameen is aloud intentionally to spite people. No fi nafsihi. We get some shafis here in our madrasah who say prolonged ameen. And that is also mention in ahadeeth. Again it is not the act itself which will be madhmoom rather the intent behind it. And that, as we say, we cannot establish unless it becomes apparent. Hence a generalization on the matter is not warranted.

[dr76]

I do not feel that you have understood the mizaaj of deobandi ulama. Or rather maybe I have misunderstood their mizaj. That post you posted about Salafies was baseless mockery. It was pointless and was the tarz of the barelwiya. I distance myself from that and stick to academic tarz.

Br. Usman,

Shawafi fold their hands on their batn or chest. The salafies do not fold on their necks. That is the mockery. All the other opinions brought up in the post are adopted by one of the madhab. The munkar which you guys wish to make dhamm of is not the opinions, rather their way of adopting those opinions. Mentioning those oipnions as a mock is mockery to those opinions in the madhahib, whether we like it or not.

Ameen bish sharr is bish shar perhaps when the ameen is aloud intentionally to spite people. No fi nafsihi. We get some shafis here in our madrasah who say prolonged ameen. And that is also mention in ahadeeth. Again it is not the act itself which will be madhmoom rather the intent behind it. And that, as we say, we cannot establish unless it becomes apparent. Hence a generalization on the matter is not warranted.

Assalam alaikum w.w..

Subhan allah.. like ghalib said.. ye teri sadaa dili maar na dale mujhko..ur humility is such that it may take my life..barakallah fi.. may Allah give u jaza maulana sb.. well for understanding the mizaaj of ulema e deoband.. Alhamdulillah from the age of 16..I put myself in the company of a khalifa of Hazrat maulana Shah wasiullah sb (rah), Khalifa of Hazrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi sb (rah).. and from then I based my aqaid on the way of Ulema e deoband ( rahimullahu ajmaeen). and yes Im Shafii in madhab.
Dear Maulana sb.. have u ever been to the middle east.. or places with super salafi infuence..sat a while in their masajid.. spoken to them.. spilled out their hearts.. well when u really do.. I guess u may even think of issuing fatwa saying its invalid to pray behind them..
ah.. what shall I say.. for folding of hands on the neck..Im telling u the truth.. shall send u a pic / vid if u want.. its not mockery Maulana its a sad truth..
to make matters worse its the indo-pak-Bengali salafi maulvis who fill the hearts of these arab ulema with hatred for the deobandi and hanafi ulema..im witness to that .. like few months back on being invited for lunch at a relatives place, a salafi maulvi who appeared frequently on sharjah telivision was introduced to me..my grandfather told him that im acquainted with such an alim who was a mudarris at madrasa sahulatiya, makkah muazzama. He just said bluntly that if hez a Hanafi then he cannot be on deen and follow the sunnah..
so my grandfather who alhamdulillah is a close associate of Hazrat Maulana Abdul Majid Daryabadi sb (rah)... replied him saying that u ppl only intend to create disunity and fitnah in ummah.. and he replied saying that there should be disunity in ummah .. then only u can seperate the right and wrong.. then he started giving bayan saying that we r unaware of history and that we should frequent him more often.. so i asked him..deen that spread into India and far beyond was credited to the efforts of hanafi Ulema and akabireen .. and where were u then..u enter the scene only in the last 70 yrs to wreak fitnah.. but he went on with his hate speech..
maulana sb .. read the book by Maulana Abu Bakr ghazipuri sb db -' Kya Ibn taymiyya (rah) Ulema Ahle sunnat wal Jamaat me se hain..?' written in response to ' Kya ulema deoband Ahle sunnat wal Jamaat me se hain.. by some salafi..
may Allah guide us all..

wa assalam..