Mawlana Thanwi on Ibn Taymiyyah (alayhi rahmah)

[akabirofdeoband]

Ibn Taymiyyah(ra) and Ibn Qayyim(ra)

Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Qayyim were master and student. They were very intelligent, and masters of the pen. Their pace exceded that of a motor car. Then (at full speed) they didn’t look who came in front of them in the street-be it a child or an animal. They just went forward at full speed, continuing their own discourse without regard to what others said.
This is not the way of a people who make true Tahqeeq. (Magar yeh tarz Shaan Tahqiq nahin)
Their manner of discourse would be harsh . Ibn Taymiyyah(ra) did a lot of service for the deen . He was born with a harsh temperament and such was his fitra.
But the kaamil(perfected individual) is he who has the perfect balance between ilm and adab , and keeps both in due perspective.


Mawlana Ashraf Ali tahanwi(rahmatullahi alayhi)
Malfuzat Volume 15
p.643

[Ahmed]

i have heard great things about him

why was he jailed

why is he always quoted by salafis..hardcore quotes

genuine questions for our ulema to answer

[Ahlussunnah]

bn Taymiyyah and Ibn Qayyim were master and student. They were very intelligent, and masters of the pen. Their pace exceded that of a motor car. Then (at full speed) they didn’t look who came in front of them in the street-be it a child or an animal. They just went forward at full speed, continuing their own discourse without regard to what others said.
This is not the way of a people who make true Tahqeeq. (Magar yeh tarz Shaan Tahqiq nahin)
Their manner of discourse would be harsh . Ibn Taymiyyah(ra) did a lot of service for the deen . He was born with a harsh temperament and such was his fitra.

Thats quite an extreme approach. He was quite fair when it come to his opponents. See his books you'll find him the best of muhaqqiq of his time.

They just went forward at full speed, continuing their own discourse without regard to what others said.

In fact they both refuted most of what was said against them. Yes its true they were harsh, specially Shaykhul Islam, but the question is which great scholar was not harsh. We have great scholars who answer to misguided sects with harshest of criticism.
A good example of Shaykhul Islam harshness was his debate with Abu Hayyan the famous mufassir. While in discussion Abu Hayyan mentioned Seebwayh (Imam of arabic language), to which Ibn Taymiyyah replied: was Seebwaih a Prophet of language whom Allah had sent? He committed mistakes regarding Quran in eighty places. Neither he he nor you understand this statement (regarding which they were debating)." Because of that Abu Hayyan left with anger.

أن أبا حيان تكلم مع الشيخ تقي الدين في مسألة في النحو فقطعه ابن تيمية فيها وألزمه الحجة فذكر ابو حيان كلام سيبويه فقال ابن تيمية يفشر سيبويه أسيبويه نبي النحو أرسله الله به حتى يكون معصوما سيبويه أخطأ في القرآن في ثمانين موضعا لا تفهمها أنت ولا هو هذا الكلام

Dhahabi also indicated towards his harshness and said that only his harshness stopped people from accepting his opinions. This is true, but saying that he didn't bother about his opponents argument is wrong.

[ibn Mikael]

i have heard great things about him

why was he jailed

why is he always quoted by salafis..hardcore quotes

genuine questions for our ulema to answer

He was jailed because he held deviant beliefs about Allah . He is often quoted by Salafis because he supported some of the positions they also hold, particularly in regard to bidahs. He is also quoted often because of his Mardin Fatwa; it should be of note though that his Mardin fatwa was inaccurately transmitted. Shaykh Abdullah bin Bayyah discovered that the way it was presented in modern texts is inaccurate, and such inaccuracies have led to serious deviancy (particularly in regards to thinking it is alright to kill Muslim leaders who sin by not implementing the shariah) amongst Salafis. However, they go far beyond Ibn Tamiyyah. Ibn Tamiyyah was a sufi and a member of a madhab.

[Ahlussunnah]

He was jailed no less than three times.

1. First time because of the issue of Allah's attribute.
2. Second time because of his Fatwa regarding Talaq.
3. Third time regarding his verdict in prohibition of Safar for Ziyarah of any place other than three mosques.

He died during the third one. And the reason was, as I understood, becz he was stopped from writing.

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

He was jailed because he held deviant beliefs about Allah ..

That's the same thing they said about Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal.

[Ahmed]

also was he also an influence on maududi...

also criticized..

i am aware of the deobandi position on maududi..

who might i add was not a molana but self read

[saqfu]

He was jailed because he held deviant beliefs about Allah . He is often quoted by Salafis because he supported some of the positions they also hold, particularly in regard to bidahs. He is also quoted often because of his Mardin Fatwa; it should be of note though that his Mardin fatwa was inaccurately transmitted. Shaykh Abdullah bin Bayyah discovered that the way it was presented in modern texts is inaccurate, and such inaccuracies have led to serious deviancy (particularly in regards to thinking it is alright to kill Muslim leaders who sin by not implementing the shariah) amongst Salafis. However, they go far beyond Ibn Tamiyyah. Ibn Tamiyyah was a sufi and a member of a madhab.

eh? ibn tamiya a sufi? the last i heard he was an extreme anti sufi. if he really was a sufi no salafis would ever follow him. this shows he couldnt have been a sufi

[saqfu]

He was jailed no less than three times.

1. First time because of the issue of Allah's attribute.
2. Second time because of his Fatwa regarding Talaq.
3. Third time regarding his verdict in prohibition of Safar for Ziyarah of any place other than three mosques.

He died during the third one. And the reason was, as I understood, becz he was stopped from writing.

is there any thing wrong with doing ziyarah of other places other than the 3 mosques? surely there cant be anything wrong with doing ziyarah can it

[caravan of martyrs]

salaam

why so much hatred and eminty towards ibn taymiyah (ra). why are the mods alowing it thye are quick to ban people who they fink have abused their UNTOUCHABLE scholars but allow others to be disrepcted. shaikh ibn taymiyyah (ra) was a great scholar of islaam. yes he had his differeces but no one is perfect. also even if maulana thanvi (ra) did say that about so what. ulema always differed with one another. futhermore maybe maulana thanvi (ra) was misinformed about him. i was speakin to one scholar who was sayin prior to going madinah shaikh ahmed hussain madani (ra) has against shaikh muhammed ibn abdul wahhab (ra) but once he met the people their and knew the truth about abdul wahhab (ra) he changd his opinion