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    Question Unacceptable Narrator Criticism (deoband.org) ta'dil on Muhammad ibn Ishaq



    If jarh (narrator criticism) is issued due to partisanship, enmity, loathing, or the likes, then it is rejected, and only he who is rejected relies on it. In light of this, the statement of Imam Malik regarding Muhammad ibn Ishaq, the author of Al-Maghazi, that he is a dajjal from amongst the dajjals, was not accepted, since it is known that it stemmed from clear animosity. Rather, they (the imams of jarh wa ta’dil) affirmed that he was hasan al-hadith (an acceptable narrator), and the imams of hadith used him as a proof. I have dealt with this issue more thoroughly in my treatise, Imam al-Kalam fi ma Yata’allaqu bi ‘l-Qira’ah Khalf ‘l-Imam. Likewise, Al-Nasa’i’s censure of Ahmad ibn Salih al-Misri, Al-Thawri’s censure of Abu Hanifah al-Kufi, Ibn Ma’in’s censure of Al-Shaf’i, Ahmad’s censure of Al-Harith al-Muhasibi, and Ibn Mandah’s censure of Abu Nu’aym al-Asbahani are not accepted, due to the same reason. There are many similar examples in the famous books of this discipline.

    Hence, the scholars stated, “One’s criticism of a contemporary is not accepted.” That is, if it is without evidence, because being a contemporary often leads to personal animosity.

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    The above bold statement refutes the jirh on muhammad bin ishaq by Allama Sarfaraz khan Safdar in his book "Ahsan Al Kalam fe taraq al Qir'aat khalful Imam" under the refutation of 3rd hadith of Hazrat Ubadah bin samit . Allama sarfaraaz sahab proved muhammad bin ishaq to be a liar.

    Please clarify !!

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    Default Re: Unacceptable Narrator Criticism (deoband.org) ta'dil on Muhammad ibn Ishaq



    Refer to Mawlana 'Abd al-Hayy's Imam al-Kalam for his reasoning.


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    Question Re: Unacceptable Narrator Criticism (deoband.org) ta'dil on Muhammad ibn Ishaq

    Quote Originally Posted by godilali View Post


    Refer to Mawlana 'Abd al-Hayy's Imam al-Kalam for his reasoning.


    Allama Abd al-Hayy in his Imam al Kalam fi ma Yatallaq bi al Qiraat Khalf al Imam concludes that the desirability of reciting Surah al Fatihah behind the Imam in silent salah is the most correct.

    But I am specifically pointing ta'dil on Muhammad bin Ishaq... Should we accept what Allama Abd al-Hayy wrote? OR we should follow the verdict of Allama Sarfaraaz safdar Sahab..??
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    Default Re: Unacceptable Narrator Criticism (deoband.org) ta'dil on Muhammad ibn Ishaq

    Assalam o 'alaykum,

    Mawlana Sarfaraz writes that Ibn Ishaq is only reliable in Maghazi and History; while other type of narrations can't be taken from him. Those who accepted him as reliable meant reliable in Maghazi and History.
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    Default Re: Unacceptable Narrator Criticism (deoband.org) ta'dil on Muhammad ibn Ishaq

    Quote Originally Posted by Saad View Post
    Assalam o 'alaykum,

    Mawlana Sarfaraz writes that Ibn Ishaq is only reliable in Maghazi and History; while other type of narrations can't be taken from him. Those who accepted him as reliable meant reliable in Maghazi and History.


    Allama Sarfaraz sahab proved him Dhaiful Hadith and Lucknawi sahab proved him Hasan al-hadith.... So if any ghair muqallid shows Lucknawi sahab in ta'dil of Muhammad bin ishaq, then what should we say ?????
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    Any one ?
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    Default Re: Unacceptable Narrator Criticism in the Science of Hadith

    Please see the edit version below. Fixed some errors and added some footnotes. Some of the sentences were very long, so I faced some difficultly rendering them into flowing English. Also, the quotes from al-Dhahabi and al-Subki can be repetitive as well. Nevertheless, the topic is important, and there isn't a great deal of material in English concerning it.

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    Ml. Mansur Ali (Aka Mansy on this forum) has done a 30 page intro on Qawa'id 'Uloom al-Hadith which should be out early next year Insha-Allah, it will explain Usool al-Hadith and al-Jarh Wa al-Ta'deel from the perspective of the Hanafiyyah.

    Keep up the good work Brothers, truly i am inspired by you people!

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    Default Re: Unacceptable Narrator Criticism in the Science of Hadith

    Quote Originally Posted by al_Zayn View Post


    Ml. Mansur Ali (Aka Mansy on this forum) has done a 30 page intro on Qawa'id 'Uloom al-Hadith which should be out early next year Insha-Allah, it will explain Usool al-Hadith and al-Jarh Wa al-Ta'deel from the perspective of the Hanafiyyah.

    Keep up the good work Brothers, truly i am inspired by you people!

    Wallahu A'lam.

    , great. I can't wait...


    What do you guys think about scanning the whole of 'Uqudul Jumman of Imam Abu Hanifah on sf?
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    Default Re: Unacceptable Narrator Criticism in the Science of Hadith

    Quote Originally Posted by Sulaiman84 View Post
    , great. I can't wait...


    What do you guys think about scanning the whole of 'Uqudul Jumman of Imam Abu Hanifah on sf?
    Wow that would be excellent Akhi Sulaiman. Please do!
    It is reported from Abu Umamah from the Prophet (Sallallahu 'Alayhi WaSallam) that he said:

    اتَّقُوا فِرَاسَةَ الْمُؤْمِنِ ، فَإِنَّهُ يَنْظُرُ بِنُورِ اللَّهِ

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