Aalima courses in India?

[UmHasan]

I went to an Indian madrasah for one year only in Simlak. But the corporal punishment was quite excessive, especially for a girl, and I did not last there. So I studied here in the UK

I've never been to Toronto and on the rest of your post

I'm not from Rander, but I've spent alot of time there. My husband studied there. Shaykh Raza Ajmeri was a true saint of Allah. I've heard much of him from my husband who was very close to him. My husband assisted his son, Qari Sahib in compiling his biography after he passed away 'Tazhkiratul Raza'. Its in Urdu. I see you’ve started a thread about Qari Rashid sb so if you understand Urdu and you're able to get a copy of it, it is quite beautiful to read.

Shaykh Ajmeri was one amongst millions and unknown to westerners. But there are many saints and scholars in India and other parts of the sub-continent that are little known in the west but who are gems and mountains of knowledge, taqwa and ma'rifat. Some of the greatest shuyookh of ilm and tasawwuf are never mentioned on SF or even the internet, but they are the ones that keep the world going round. In the west, the public tends to pick a few scholars who are masha allah good orators are then everything revolves around them. The true saints of Allah are forgotten by the western Muslims and this is why we are left feeling so dissatisfied with our scholars.

You can go to small cities like Rander in India, but even more so in northern India, and find hundreds of aalims who are exactly what they should be in terms of ilm, zuhd and taqwa. You just need to know where to look. May Allah enable us to benefit from them all.

[London786]

Mashallah great stuff. May I ask one question. I have been wanting to go india for a long time and do a mini-tour but due to one reason or the other it has been postponed. Anyway could you list some of the great personalities who are alive today in India as you seem to have some information in this regard. I am especially interested in those that are into tasawuff more....I agree with you 100%. Most people are impressed by good speakers etc.....but those like maulana hashim jogwari are very rare...but they don't do much speaking. I remember the first time I met him...I was a small child. He asked me are you becoming hafiz. I said No. He said Alim. I said No. He then told my father that why have you not made him an hafiz or alim. My father said he has no enthusiasm. lol. Maulana Hashim said if he has enthusism or not make him hafiz and alim. Also I remember maulana hashim saheb reading the jhang newspaper and he had all the pictures scribbled out. It left such an impression on me that these mashaikh are something else. The same maulana hashim saheb once phoned my house. I picked up and asked who it was (in the typical rude bharuchi style gujrati). He said Hashim...no maulana, no hazrat, no nothing...so casually passed it to my dad....i said it's hashim lol....and my dad picked up said salaam and then realized who it was....maulana hashim fasted continuously each day for 1 or 2 years.......

Appa soupy you should post some stuff about these hidden gems...Too many people hear too much negative stuff on this forum so posting about the akabir would be very beneficial. If you could post about some of the female scholars it would be great too as many of our people have a very negative image of alimahs...

[binte sulaiman]

I went to an Indian madrasah for one year only in Simlak. But the corporal punishment was quite excessive, especially for a girl, and I did not last there. So I studied here in the UK

I've never been to Toronto and on the rest of your post

I'm not from Rander, but I've spent alot of time there. My husband studied there. Shaykh Raza Ajmeri was a true saint of Allah. I've heard much of him from my husband who was very close to him. My husband assisted his son, Qari Sahib in compiling his biography after he passed away 'Tazhkiratul Raza'. Its in Urdu. I see you’ve started a thread about Qari Rashid sb so if you understand Urdu and you're able to get a copy of it, it is quite beautiful to read.

Shaykh Ajmeri was one amongst millions and unknown to westerners. But there are many saints and scholars in India and other parts of the sub-continent that are little known in the west but who are gems and mountains of knowledge, taqwa and ma'rifat. Some of the greatest shuyookh of ilm and tasawwuf are never mentioned on SF or even the internet, but they are the ones that keep the world going round. In the west, the public tends to pick a few scholars who are masha allah good orators are then everything revolves around them. The true saints of Allah are forgotten by the western Muslims and this is why we are left feeling so dissatisfied with our scholars.

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You can go to small cities like Rander in India, but even more so in northern India, and find hundreds of aalims who are exactly what they should be in terms of ilm, zuhd and taqwa. You just need to know where to look. May Allah enable us to benefit from them all.

Ameen.

[UmHasan]

@Sister needhelp: May Allah bless you.

And I’m sure when you get into the sisters section we’ll find more in common.

There are so many great personalities in India and the two that come to my head are Mufti Salman Mansurpuri and Hadhrat Shaykh Mahmood who is one of Hadhrat Madani’s khulafa and also gave khilfat to his son Moulana Asad Madani My husband also has khilafah from him and also Shaykh Yaqub mentioned earlier in this thread. I will post more after Ramadhan. My husband has always placed great emphasis on spending time with the awliyah and has spent much of his life seeking them out and trying to serve them so this has rubbed off onto me. His father was the same and would send him off to spend time with the great personalities around India. If you had spent time in a Deoband’s khanqah during the lifetime of Moulana Asad Madani you would meet many of them. People with karamaat and darjaat that we have only read about in books would be sleeping at your feet in itekaaf. Buzurgs who keep their wudhu for 3 days at a time, who recite multiple Qurans in one day in Ramadhan, who travel distances in short time, great aamils and great aalims. They appear normal to everyone as they keep their secrets close to their heart and do not flaunt them. This is why we miss them when seeking them out.

One thing to look out for is their adherence to the sunnah. I saw in Moulana Asad Madani sahib too, that people would expect magic and open miracles but his greatness was beyond that. Those that spent time with him would recognise an aura that surrounded him which was not appreciated by everyone. He never related his dreams, or talked about his zikr or recounted his karaamat, but his barakah was unmissable even to the ignorant amongst us. He was a living embodiment of the sunnah and adhered to it steadfastly in everything. Kam khana, kam sona aur kam bolna (eat less, talk less, sleep less).... if you find this in a buzurg, in addition to adherence to sunnah and humility then know there’s something hidden underneath.

One thing of Moulana Hashim sahib who you’ve mentioned that I was thinking about today, was a story he told us about a time whnen he was in hospital. A person in the bed next to him was not a very practising Muslim, but Moulana Hashim Sahab got talking to him and told him about the virtues of becoming a hafidh. The person was very affected by Hadhrats talk and made intention to become a hafidh. Moulana started him off there and then with the memorisation and the next day the person died. Moulana Hashim said he was very lucky that he made the intention and also started; on the day off judgment he will be raised amongst the huffaz due to his intention.

I thought it was a good story to share, especially with Ramadhan coming up. We could all make that intention.

With regard to inspirational females, I've posted some stuff in the sisters section as it's difficult to talk about openly here.

[London786]

If it's possible could you give me your husband's email address. I won't pass it around without his permission. I just have a few questions...inshallah nothing time consuming...I always found more compatiability with the pakistani buzrugs....although im gujrati....i consider pakistan to be my homeland....that is why i missed out on many indian auliya....yes the true auliya are recognizable by what you have said....their adherance to quraan and sunnah is meticulous...the salafis talk about quraan and sunnah all day...however the great men you mention are the true men who instead of talking actually walk the walk...As maulana yusuf khandalvi rh would say Bukhari is not the name of a kitaab it is the life of Rasulullah sallahiwasalam....how true are the words of maulana saeed ahmed khan rh that whoever does not read bukhari with love gets a bukhar (fever)....at the same time they are so humble.....I have seen such humility in some of these people....a great scholar....master of hadeeth and tafsir....once after darse said to an ignorant laymen...if you see any mistakes in my talk then tell me....if I missed out something tell me...if I should mention something tell me....this is a man who virtually knows the hadeeth and tafsir books inside out...he can quote you page number, narrator, cite reference upon reference.....etc etc....such a master asks a low layman to correct him.....

[binte sulaiman]

Ameen and Sister please make lots of duaa for me. Please request your husband to make dua for me too. Jazakallahu Khayran. About the sisters section, InshAllah on Monday I'll be there . Jazakallahu Khayran for all the help.

[maneatinglizard]

Are there any madrasas for girls in Deoband?

What would a person do, if he wanted to study there, and his wife also wished to study?

[maneatinglizard]

Are there any madrasas for girls in Deoband?

What would a person do, if he wanted to study there, and his wife also wished to study?

Still nothing?

[UmHasan]

There are no madrasahs in Deoband for women. Only informal classes in houses run by the women of Hadhrat Madni's household. If someone wanted to stay there with his wife he could rent a small house and study while his wife stays at home. He could arrange for some private tuition for his wife with some local scholars, but he would need a local reputable person to help him arrange that.

I've stayed there myself for a while and have friends who have stayed there too; some for a whole year. Its not easy for a woman of the west to stay in Deoband/Saharanpur though. The seasons are extreme and the facilities are not good if you’re living in your own home.

[786...]

Slm..
Apa soupy you mentioned youv been to deuband and saharanpur?please write a bit of your karguzari..i rely want to go india especialy these2places..have you done mulaqat with hazrat sheikh rahmatulahialyh's daughters?..a humble request for duas jazakumulah..slm