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    Default Re: Tawaf around graves - Permissible for Khawwas - Says a Barelwi Mufti

    Quote Originally Posted by jasimisbest2 View Post
    please run that anti virus on your brain, maybe it will help you get rid of that dirt you have in your brain....

    ADMINS please delete my account.

    I was suppose to log into *************** and came here to wahabi deobandi forum.

    please delete my account as I will not be wasting my time on this useless and hatefull forum.!!!
    I couldnt expect more from you to be honest. As I said, bring proofs to back up your claims. If you want to insult because you cannot support the fact that haqq prevails over batil then for sure this forum isnt for you. There are a lot out there which are adequate for your type of behaviour and language (whilst not being constructive at all). Probably these guys can help you find some sort of reasons why Tawaf around graves for blessings is permissible
    “O our Rabb! Forgive us and our brothers who passed before us with Imaan. And do not place any impurity (ill-feelings) in our hearts against those who have Imaan. O our Rabb! Indeed You are the Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.”


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    Default Re: Tawaf around graves - Permissible for Khawwas - Says a Barelwi Mufti

    how on earth has a fatwa not been passed on these brealwis. they are bad as shias and qadiyanis they bow and make sajood to anything they can get their hands on


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    Default Re: Tawaf around graves - Permissible for Khawwas - Says a Barelwi Mufti

    Quote Originally Posted by jasimisbest2 View Post
    please run that anti virus on your brain, maybe it will help you get rid of that dirt you have in your brain....

    ADMINS please delete my account.

    I was suppose to log into *************** and came here to wahabi deobandi forum.

    please delete my account as I will not be wasting my time on this useless and hatefull forum.!!!
    one thing I noticed when it comes to Berelwis is that they claim to be sufi & love rasulullah SAWS but they dont show his akhlaaq or adab & they dont speak like sufis, they like reverse salafies.


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    Default Re: Tawaf around graves - Permissible for Khawwas - Says a Barelwi Mufti

    Assalam o 'alaykum,

    Following quote of Mulla 'Ali Qari is mentioned in Fatawa Rashidiyyah:

    ولا يطوف اى يد ورحول البقعة الشريفة لان الطواف من مخصات الكعبة المنيفة فيحرم حول قبور الانبياء
    والاولياء ولا اعتبار بما يفعله العامة الجهلة ولو كا وافى صورة المشائخ والاولياء والعلماء ـ هكذا البحر والنهر

    "One should not perform tawaf (i.e. circumambulate) around the holy grave [of Holy Messenger, Allah bless him and give him peace]; since tawaf is specific only for the Holy Ka'bah; therefore it is haram to circumambulate the graves of the prophets and saints. And what the ignorant people do is not considerable even if they look like mashyikh, awliya' and 'ulama." (Mentioned in Al-Bahr al-Ra'iq and Al-Nahr al-Fa'iq).
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    Default Re: Tawaf around graves - Permissible for Khawwas - Says a Barelwi Mufti

    http://video.yahoo.com/watch/6534164/16961643

    Saad, what do our Hanafi scholars say about making Sajdah to live person.


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    Default Re: Tawaf around graves - Permissible for Khawwas - Says a Barelwi Mufti

    Quote Originally Posted by abul_hussain View Post
    http://video.yahoo.com/watch/6534164/16961643

    Shaykh Saad, what do our Hanafi scholars say about making Sajdah to live person.
    I wanted to ask exactly the same questions after reading a chapter of "Hujjat Allah al-Baligha by Shah Wali Allah Dihlawi, in which it seems he differentiate between a sajda of worship and a sajda of humbleness: the first being haram and kufr, the second being haram but not kufr, if I understood correctly.

    It's chapter 38, especially page 183 of the English translation by Marcia K. Hermansen.


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    Default Re: Tawaf around graves - Permissible for Khawwas - Says a Barelwi Mufti

    Assalam o 'alaykum,

    Most scholars do differentiate between sajdah of ibadah and ta'zim; with the intention of ibadah is kufr while sajdah of ta'zim is haram. However, Shaykh Abul Hassan ‘Ali Nadwi writes in Hawashi Taqwiyat al-Iman that even sadjah of ta’zim is kufr according to some scholars like Shams al-A’imah Imam Sarakhsi. Similarly, ‘Allamah ibn ‘Abidin mentions that sajdah to ghayrullah is unconditionally kufr.
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    Default Re: Tawaf around graves - Permissible for Khawwas - Says a Barelwi Mufti

    Quote Originally Posted by abul_hussain View Post
    http://video.yahoo.com/watch/6534164/16961643

    Saad, what do our Hanafi scholars say about making Sajdah to live person.
    Dear Brothers, Assalaamoalaikum

    Doing Sajdah for anyone, live or dead, even bowing as in rukuh, is shirk.

    Brotherly yours
    farook


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    Default Re: Tawaf around graves - Permissible for Khawwas - Says a Barelwi Mufti

    Quote Originally Posted by jasimisbest2 View Post
    please run that anti virus on your brain, maybe it will help you get rid of that dirt you have in your brain....

    ADMINS please delete my account.

    I was suppose to log into *************** and came here to wahabi deobandi forum.

    please delete my account as I will not be wasting my time on this useless and hatefull forum.!!!
    So you will give this brother (i.e. me) no assistance?


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